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I replaced the wallpaper but maybe its just as bad as the original  . I will post another with scenery.

Cheers,
Wil

Hi there,

I'm afraid your story sounds like a sensitive one, and usually the type that can be hard to work out.

My instinct is that if the 3 boys were born out of wedlock, it's likely they weren't baptised or their births registered.

A possibility is that yes Mary White was their mother and that Joseph MAY have been the name of their father but another surname. It's possible that the name Joseph was one that was told / used and it will be very hard to work out.

There doesn't appear to be any Jewish / Polish Joseph White / Whyte on the census, but I could be wrong. There are however other Jewish families with the surname White.

I would take the 1911 census as the family but Mary's age has been taken down wrong, it most likely should say 35. She most likely filled in Widow to hide blushes.

On the 1901 census then Catherine White is the mother of Mary, Christopher and Katie. Catherine's husband may have been away labouring or some other work.

The best of luck with your search.

Tara

Yes this is  what i am affraid of. Maybe the information is lost. I thought that every birth was registered but that probably only applies to hospital births. On the marriage certificate for William it states that the parents are from Synnott Place but thats also his address. The fact that no records are showing up idicates your thoughts above. The family is my best shot I suppose.

Thanks for your help

Hi All,

I have been studying my family history for a few years now but have hit a bit of a wall on my fathers side, maybe someone can help?

The information I need is for my great great grandfather and grandmother, I was unsure of there names up until now.

My great grandfather William White married Anna Eccles in St.Michan's church of Halston Street on 13th Aug 1922.
William Whites mother and father on the Marriage Certificate where Joseph and Mary White(her maiden name was also White)

My great grandfather died in 1963 at the age of 65 which would give an approx birth year of 1898. He had 2 brother Joseph(older) and David(Younger). I found a match on the 1901 census which seems to be correct and 1911 but the census records regarding mother and father are not helpful. In 1901 its mentions William @ age 3 which would be correct, Joseph @ age 6 and David wasn't born. Their is a head of house which seems to be the grandmother Catherine aged 53, 3 children (Mary @ age 23, Katie and Christy) and 2 grand children (William and Joseph), On the census as living in Chancery Street. No mention of Grandfather or Father and Mary is down as being not Married. 

In 1911 the head of house is Mary aged 65, with 3 sons Joseph aged 15, William aged 13 and David aged 8. On census as living in Henrietta Street. Again no mention of father.

I want to Clarify the mother and father's information from William's marriage cert by locating Williams birth cert and comparing information. Problem is I can't find a birth cert for William born 1898 +/- 1 year. I have tried St. Michans church, St. Mary Pro Cathedral and St. Josephs on Berkeley Road. I have also searched for the brothers, Joseph and David, birth certs but to no avail.

I have found out from talking to some of the older family members that Mary and Joseph where never married, Joseph was never really talked about growing up, a bit of a taboo subject. The rumour is that Joseph was Jewish or Polish and the Joseph and Mary had the same last name but spelt different. This family info is not fact and have yet to clarify

My best guess regarding the census is that Catherine in 1901 is pretending to be Mary in 1911, hence the age. This is probably trying to hide the possibility that Mary and Joseph never married.



Its the Great Great Grandfather Joseph and Great Great Grandmother Mary I am interested in but any information would be great, kind of pulling at straw now tbh.

Thanks in advance and I hope the above makes some sense.

Cheers,
Wil

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