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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Thursday 21 June 12 14:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi, All,
     Libbie's post to Julie (that she had "some photos of pork butchers")is heartening to me.  I know that my grandfather worked for a pork butcher named Charles Beyer (probably Johann Karl Beyer when he was in Kunzelsau) during the years 1888 to 1894.
     Since my grandfather died here in the USA in 1937 and since cousins who inherited everything (who says primogeniture is dead?) got the only photo I ever saw of my grandfather (and since there is no way I can get in touch with the inheriting cousin -- his last known address is a dead end), I don't have even one photo of my grandfather at any age.
     It's a shot in the dark, but maybe someone on this site has a photo of Charlie Beyer and his assistant (my grandfather, for one) between 1888 and 1894.  I've tried the Mormons and Ancestry.com but I haven't tried this.
             Hoping against hope,
                       Bec Gilbert

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Friday 01 June 12 22:04 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, Schoch,
     Don't know why the email I got told me you had something to say on a topic I was interested in unless it meant that every time anyone writes something about German Pork Butchers I am going to get an email.  I don't want to be a bother to anyone, just really want to learn more.

     Rothermelbird said something interesting in a message he sent to me in February that I just caught up with today.  He suggested the rumored lovechild my grandfather sired in the UK could have been with Anna Beyer, one of his employers because she was three months pregnant when my grandfather left the UK.  Annie Beyer had a son named Frederick who was 7 years old in the 1901 census (born 1894, six months after my grandfather left the UK).  I thought that Rothermelbird couldn't be right because I only knew this morning about the Beyers' first child, Charles, who was 11 in the 1901 census.  (That would have been a long gestation -- from 1890 to 1894 when my grandfather left the country!) This afternoon I looked up the Beyers in the 1901 census and discovered their second son.  It's kind of funny to me that the Beyer baby who might have been Frank Weller's love child is named Frederick because I found a Frederick Weller who was born in 1891 at the Stone House Hospital (some kind of asylum that was taking in other-than-crazies at the time.  My grandfather had been in the UK since 1888 -- 3 years before this Frederick Weller was born. 
     And this Frederick Weller showed up in the 1901 census with must-have-been-adoptive-parents John and Laura Purkiss whose address was one of the cottages (2 Syles Cottage, Invicta Rd, Dartford, Kent) on the property of Stone House Hospital. John Purkiss is listed as a General Laborer (worker) on the 1901 census so he must have worked for the hospital.
     I thought that maybe Caroline gave birth but couldn't keep the baby boy in Yorkshire where she worked because of the shame of illegitimacy and that it would explain how my grandfather knew he had a son. -- named Frederick like Anna and Charles Beyer's son born 1894 -- but 3 years older than the Beyer baby.  Finding Caroline Geller -- who Rothermelbird told me got married but he didn't say her married name --is going to be major because Caroline wasn't working for the Beyers anymore by the 1901 census. (Fred Specht and Rose Hanoblanch were the employees then).   If anybody can help me to make sense of this illegitimacy muddle, I would appreciate it. 
     My best to all Rootschat folk,
                     Bec Gilbert

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Friday 01 June 12 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Dear Friends on Rootschat,
    This morning I received notices in my regular email that both Rothermelbird and Schoch had left messages for me, but when I clicked on the link provided, there were no messages.  
     I did manage to find a Rothermelbird message from February that proposed a solution to my question of my grandfather's illegitimate lovechild in the UK.  Rothermelbird said that the love child could have been with Franky Weller's employer's wife, Anna Beyer because Anna would have been 3 months pregnant when Franky left the country in April of 1894.  The child, however, was listed in the 1891 census and my family story said that he had the child with his employer's "daughter" -- which, I am assuming, must have been Caroline Geller, treated "like a daughter" as my grandfather claimed he was "treated like a son" by the employers (Johann Karl Beyer who became Charles Beyer in Yorkshire).
     I believe it may have been Histres or Rothermelbird who suggested to me that maybe the spelling of Caroline Geller's last name was altered in the census, that she may have been a Gohler (umlaut over the "o") and so I have been going nearly blind searrching the lists of Auswanderers from villages in Germany between 1886 and 1891 to see if there is a Caroline Gohler because the 1891 census said she was from Germany.  The only name like that in the lists so far is a Friedrich Gohler from Kocherstetten who emigrated in 1890 -- but no sign of a sister who also left that town.  Attacking the identity at the other end, Rothermelbird says that there was only one Caroline Geller in England and that she married there.  If I had her married name, I could try the 1901 census to see if she had any children listed that might be the lovechild.
                    Grateful for any help,
                              Bec Gilbert

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: German Pork Butchers of Britain
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 03:04 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Listress,
     I am hoping that you (since you are a wizard) can help me find out what happened to a woman named Caroline Geller who came from Germany some time after 1888, met a man (my grandfather) with whom she lived during the 1891 census, but I know he got her pregnant and didn't marry her.
     Someone told me that, since my grandfather was a servant (an assistant pork butcher to Charles Beyer of 74 Carlisle Rd) that he might have been denied permission to marry (the Beyers had thought Franky Weller -- my grandfather-  "like a son" and been very angry.  He came to the USA and married here but sent money for years (against my grandmother's strong objections) to the mother of his illegitimate child.  I can't find Caroline anywhere after the 1891 census. Did she get run out of town on a rail?
                                                   Wondering....

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Bradford Cemeteries
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 02:50 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: hudsonj on Wednesday 01 February 12 16:42 GMT (UK)
good luck sandra, yes I found my benjamin, I was lucky, the staff at scholemoor are very good, some depts charge a fiver for looking up gravestones - if you ring scholemoor, they will tell you of any other possibles, also,  1871-1879 and probably further either side of these dates silbridge lane was considered as the 'slum' area of bradford, maybe if people were not able to pay for proper funerals they were interred elsewhere,  other than municipal cemeteries, but you'd need someone with more knowledge than me on that one...  do you have a burial  record for him?..i am researching an ancestor who died in the 'workhouse' and she was buried in the parish of eccleshill in 1902..hope you find him and I will bear him in mind...


 I am new to this and interested in how I can find whether a German immigrant who moved to the UK and got pregnant without benefit of marrying the man in 1891 would have also gotten herself sent to the "workhouse" if her employers terminated her services as an employee?  On the 1891 UK census, her name was Caroline Geller and I believe her child was a son, but have no name for him.

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:31 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Histress and South Yorkie,
     Late last night I found this site about German Pork Butchers in Britain and was astounded to see the name Charles Beyer because on the 1891 census sheet I got through Ancestry.com here in the USA, Charles, his wife Annie and their infant son, Charles F, were living with my own grandfather about whom I knew so little until a week ago.
     My grandfather's name was Frank Valentine Weller.  He was born March 27, 1872 in Nagelsburgh-Werttemberg and he emigrated to the UK in October of 1888 under the name Valentin Weller (#835767) from the district of Kuenzelsau, though he turned up on the 1891 census as Franky Weller.
     It is SO interesting that, also in the same household (don't know the address, only that it was in Yorkshire) was a young woman named Caroline Geller, two years older than Franky/Valentin because the family story that was kept under wraps here until just a year before Franky's last child's death in 2009 was that he'd had a Love Child with someone he lived with in England. Probably Caroline Geller though I didn't know her name until I saw the census sheet.
     Franky left the UK in April of 1894 and came to America to start a farm family (ended up with nine children here).  His first children with Anna Marie Rupprecht (born in Bavaria on November 23, 1875) were twins, Carl and Annie Weller, born December 15, 1897.  Until I saw this Pork Butchers site, it never occurred to me that Carl and Annie could have been named after Franky's friends -- the Beyers -- who were also from my grandfather's hometown.  I read everything I could on the Pork Butchers' site and would welcome any information from those who are hipper than me  because I know nothing more than what I have told you (I do know that Franky sent money to England -- probably to help the Love Child -- and that my grandmother raised cain with him about it but couldn't stop him.).
     I would LOVE to write up anything I can learn about this grandfather (who died before I was born -- on January 11, 1937) to share with my kids.  I have been searching for Caroline Geller and the Love Child but have so far been unsuccessful.  I think the census said that she was from Germany, too. Please email me at the following address if you know anything at all about any people mentioned, or if you can tell me what he must have gone through.  My grandmother didn't talk a lot about my grandfather.:
     My email address is *  My name is Bec Gilbert.  THANKS!
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