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Warwickshire / Re: Parish Records St Martins Birmingham
« on: Friday 11 May 12 22:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much Jim, brilliant. Sorry, I'll read up on chatroom etiquette - I'm pretty new to this!
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Warwickshire / Re: Parish Records St Martins Birmingham
« on: Friday 11 May 12 19:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Is there an online source of parish records like these? I'm a member of ancestry.co.uk but find the parish record section hard to navigate.
I'm trying to find information about tthe marriage of David Derrington (1738 - 1805) to Sarah Gilbert (b circa 1734) at St Martin's Birmingham on 16th April 1769.
I'm hoping to find David's profession, address or parents names, or ditto for Sarah.
Thanks!
Is there an online source of parish records like these? I'm a member of ancestry.co.uk but find the parish record section hard to navigate.
I'm trying to find information about tthe marriage of David Derrington (1738 - 1805) to Sarah Gilbert (b circa 1734) at St Martin's Birmingham on 16th April 1769.
I'm hoping to find David's profession, address or parents names, or ditto for Sarah.
Thanks!
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Oxfordshire / Re: Ally/Leverett Family of Charlton on Otmoor
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi again Anna,
I just wondered if you have found any links between the Alleys and the D'Oylys, who were Norman landowners on Otmoor from the time of the Conquest onwards. The names are so similar and it's in such a small area I find it hard to believe there's no connection.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Maya
I just wondered if you have found any links between the Alleys and the D'Oylys, who were Norman landowners on Otmoor from the time of the Conquest onwards. The names are so similar and it's in such a small area I find it hard to believe there's no connection.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Maya
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Oxfordshire / Re: Ally/Leverett Family of Charlton on Otmoor
« on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna,
My Great-Grandmother was Lucy Jane Alley of Kings End, Bicester. I have traced her family back to the C16th, but not on the Alley side all the way. Where did you find your leads?
In terms of the Leveret alias, I found this useful article online through a Google search and hope it's useful for your research:
'....Often the names continued in this way for many generations. An example
is ALLEY alias LEVERETT around the Otmoor villages, which is recorded from
the early 16th century to the late 18th century at least. The reasons may
have lain in the system of copyhold land, for example when a mother with
children by her first marriage remarried, the children would often take the
surname of the stepfather but retain the old surname as well to prove their
right to the copyhold land. This was probably because the only place where
the entitlement to copyhold land could be registered was in the manor
courts and as birth certificates did not exist, it was far easier to use
both names than provide witnesses to make declarations or go through other
more complicated procedures to establish their rights. early surnames were
often simply not fixed. One man adopted one name, maybe from his father, or
his location, or his occupation, while his brother adopted another, from
his different occupation, his physical appearance etc - and the name
persisted. For instance, the family of Mrs Will Shakespeare dithered
between Hathaway (location) or Gardener (occupation). The Alleys were
pretty well to do (both sides of the county border) and one or another of
them might have been either fast on his feet or rather timid (Leverett =
young hare) Quite a number of alias names can be explained in this way -
and where a surname was common, there was a tendency to qualify it (Groom
alias Buff, Groom alias Townend)'
(from http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OXFORDSHIRE/2005-04/1113050264)
My Great-Grandmother was Lucy Jane Alley of Kings End, Bicester. I have traced her family back to the C16th, but not on the Alley side all the way. Where did you find your leads?
In terms of the Leveret alias, I found this useful article online through a Google search and hope it's useful for your research:
'....Often the names continued in this way for many generations. An example
is ALLEY alias LEVERETT around the Otmoor villages, which is recorded from
the early 16th century to the late 18th century at least. The reasons may
have lain in the system of copyhold land, for example when a mother with
children by her first marriage remarried, the children would often take the
surname of the stepfather but retain the old surname as well to prove their
right to the copyhold land. This was probably because the only place where
the entitlement to copyhold land could be registered was in the manor
courts and as birth certificates did not exist, it was far easier to use
both names than provide witnesses to make declarations or go through other
more complicated procedures to establish their rights. early surnames were
often simply not fixed. One man adopted one name, maybe from his father, or
his location, or his occupation, while his brother adopted another, from
his different occupation, his physical appearance etc - and the name
persisted. For instance, the family of Mrs Will Shakespeare dithered
between Hathaway (location) or Gardener (occupation). The Alleys were
pretty well to do (both sides of the county border) and one or another of
them might have been either fast on his feet or rather timid (Leverett =
young hare) Quite a number of alias names can be explained in this way -
and where a surname was common, there was a tendency to qualify it (Groom
alias Buff, Groom alias Townend)'
(from http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OXFORDSHIRE/2005-04/1113050264)
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Dublin / Re: UPDATED - Members of the Irish Citizen Army 1916 - Names List
« on: Wednesday 15 February 12 10:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare,
I've been trying to trace Liam Derrington's history too and was interested to see your post. I'm a Derrington in Dublin too, though probably not closely related as I moved here from England 15 years ago. Have you seen the record for your grandfather on the 1911 census? He's listed as living with his widower father John Joseph in Stoneybatter - see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000092748/
I'm not surprised he's sometimes listed as Darrington as the local accent can't handle Derrington - I'm always called Darrington here too! A local historian once contacted me and asked if I was related to some Derringtons who were in Dublin (on Sundrive Road) in the 1950s. Could they have been relations of yours?
Do you know how Liam's father came to be in Dublin and whether your branch of the family had been in Ireland for generations before? His father is listed as being born in Antrim and they both spoke Irish & English - which is really intriguing as Derrington is an English name. Coincidentally, my grandfather Leslie John Derrington moved from England to Antrim in the 40s, having married my grandmother, who was from Moneyglass.
I'm sure you know that most of the Derrington family (including my grandfather) originate from the Birmingham area. My grandfather believed the name originated from the area: d'Erdington. There is still a chapel to the d'Erdington family in Birmingham today.
All the best,
Maya
I've been trying to trace Liam Derrington's history too and was interested to see your post. I'm a Derrington in Dublin too, though probably not closely related as I moved here from England 15 years ago. Have you seen the record for your grandfather on the 1911 census? He's listed as living with his widower father John Joseph in Stoneybatter - see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000092748/
I'm not surprised he's sometimes listed as Darrington as the local accent can't handle Derrington - I'm always called Darrington here too! A local historian once contacted me and asked if I was related to some Derringtons who were in Dublin (on Sundrive Road) in the 1950s. Could they have been relations of yours?
Do you know how Liam's father came to be in Dublin and whether your branch of the family had been in Ireland for generations before? His father is listed as being born in Antrim and they both spoke Irish & English - which is really intriguing as Derrington is an English name. Coincidentally, my grandfather Leslie John Derrington moved from England to Antrim in the 40s, having married my grandmother, who was from Moneyglass.
I'm sure you know that most of the Derrington family (including my grandfather) originate from the Birmingham area. My grandfather believed the name originated from the area: d'Erdington. There is still a chapel to the d'Erdington family in Birmingham today.
All the best,
Maya
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