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United States of America / Re: Albert Pope 1890 in California
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 12:10 GMT (UK)  »
Just want to point out that the family your Albert Edward Pope was attached to, was also one that lost both parents at a young age...so locating them was also difficult as you know...orphan children who were sent to institutions & then sometimes placed out to jobs elsewhere in the country, or even became homechildren in other countries.

Did you ever get notified of this answer to this other post:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880343.msg7527338#msg7527338

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United States of America / another Albert Edward Pope also in Ontario canada
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 17:21 GMT (UK)  »
overlandermatt was looking for the son of Benjamin Thomas Pope, who has been found in Canada, then California. This is a different one, for others searching

There was another man in Ontario with same name, etc.
Posting because I found these, altho not related to the post, but for others searching


adding this one...another Albert Edward Pope
a ww1 C.E.F. signup Sept. 1915 Toronto, ontario - says b. May 14 1888
Portsmouth, Hampshire , England    Unit: 81st Battalion
father: John POPE  GLYST. COTTAGE Manor Rd. HAYLING ISLAND HAMPSHIRE
says single/florist/Gardener  born May 14th Plymouth?  https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=579034&lang=eng&ecopy=B7901-S002
Discharged unfit for duty 1919 & the gas shell discharge would have weakened his lungs

Married Lillie Henderson Brampton Ontario 1920-parents John Pope & Mary ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9ST-RFKN

small tree with death of a child
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/GYKN-LC4

adding: His early death has Parents John Pope, Mary Matilda Langdon
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FM3-SQV

and that last entry was attached to THIS tree...
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G5NQ-LTH
 
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 and another Albert Edward Pope b. 1882 Westcliffe or Nunhead -sign-up Regina sask
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=579035&lang=eng&ecopy=581435a
 

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United States of America / Re: Albert Pope 1890 in California
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
Modified:
 ;D Well, a bit of "learn to do by doing" required then... You'll have to sign up ;D

adding !!! Don't add any of this next stuff yet!!!

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revising: Just do the one change for now, as it proves his Plymouth origins...and if you are comfortable with it, add more to his basic page info a bit at a time...same with Emily. Adding what you know to be true...but if he's chasing the wrong ancestors, it would be best to point it out to them again rather than deleting any ancestors yourself. There should be email or chat info connected to the username  in order to contact them about it... J.J.


adding to help you confirm to the tree owner, attach these souces:
Naturalization - California can  be attached to him. Says b. 21 Apr 1890 Plymouth!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6RBF-9DYL
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9H-8X5L

More that you can attach to tree...b. 21 Apr 1890 England d. 26 Sep 1973
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGTS-S7G


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United States of America / Re: Albert Pope 1890 in California
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 14:27 GMT (UK)  »
Well, you had said that YOU'D found the right guy... but it was all of the above.
BTW, you were pointed to the entry into the U.S. which I'll post & it does say Plymouth.
So go in to the results of this url and hit the turquoise button that says "Attach to tree" & attach it.
You can also make changes to his place of birth, etc, or ask the tree owner to do it.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQM-5ZQK?treeref=MZVN-21Y&lang=en

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United States of America / Re: Albert Pope 1890 in California
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
  This thread has a lot of information researched & found for you! Plus, you seemed to want to round it out with more info from Canada, which we've all happily found for you, including entry to Canada from polarbear above, and all results on the previous page proving their entry to the U.S. and subsequently the son Gordon's lengthy career in California. They found the "right guy" in California. It's not unusual to find discrepancies in some information, but there are a lot on that census alone...regardless of all that I'm 99% sure all information found by rootschatters still fits in to pointing to the same couple.
  There were several other Albert Edwards, so if you have information to correct the FS tree, you should contact them & talk it over)
  However if you are that doubtful, you might consider that they could have juggled all that info because either he or she did not want to be found after leaving England...so if something happened back in England you must research that reason for yourself.

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United States of America / Re: Albert Pope 1890 in California
« on: Monday 08 December 25 17:09 GMT (UK)  »
I hadn't found the 1921 earlier, but now I see why I overlooked it...
Couple both say born Ontario - yes he's a labourer in a soap factory,
    but his wife down as Gladys?...Gordon as born 1915 instead of 1912?
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=census&IdNumber=66255555&ecopy=e003050568

as suggested there is an extensive tree on FamilySearch site
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G319-D79

Here they are in 1950...you can add this entry plus others you may find
that haven't been attached to the tree as yet...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XGC-KS7B

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Canada / Re: William Alexander Culverhouse and wife, death or burial.
« on: Monday 08 December 25 13:41 GMT (UK)  »
A query to Hamilton cemetery should fill you in if the parents also were interred there...
(adding: Noting that Sandra already did find your Ruby Pearl death- w. burial in Woodland!!! )

Their 2 newborn babes Mary  b&d: Aug. 14 1932    Bur: Aug. 18th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTPS-753
& William George Culverhouse  b: Jun 27 1928  d: June 28  Bur: July 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6227-8M

In case you'd not found them lodging at the Needhams 1931 - as Colverhouse
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=81827858&lang=eng&ecopy=e011683112
1921 mother has fluctuating ages...
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=census&IdNumber=64311596&ecopy=e002930731
1901  Parents seem to have confusion as to everyone's actual ages?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998W-SRH6
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998W-SRH6

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Canada / Re: A Rootschat Database for British Home Children
« on: Monday 08 December 25 02:32 GMT (UK)  »
  Thanks Anna...I rather hijacked your query with the last entry, as this is a completely different family. Who knows if some of the many Prairie Peggs were related somewhere down the line, though! 
  Mind you, I suppose we've all hijacked the original query as well, being that neither search turned out to be HomeChildren...But regardless, we helped solve 2 mysteries & that's just fine!
    Good luck with the rest of your family searches!  J.J.  From the Prairies

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Canada / Another Pegg Family- In Canada not BHC
« on: Sunday 07 December 25 14:23 GMT (UK)  »
re: The other 2 Pegg children - Not BritishHomeChildren / BHC
No need to research any of this family, as it 's pretty much completed.
There were several Pegg families from Eng - even another Currie Pegg combo
I am posting my finds because it was still a lot of work to find so little
.. but should also help with their whereabouts for family across the pond.
   and to also honour one of those many soldiers of WW1who never returned,

My original searches, re: Amy Pegg were for this pair of siblings;
but luck tapped me on the shoulder & sent me in the right direction.
   I thought I'd found a clue here... as well as some Home Children!
   But again, these two didn't appear on any homechild listings.
As it turns out the family was well-off, and some siblings ventured out...
1906  Living with Petrie family Saskatchewan/Assiniboia West/ (28)/B
   Pegg Wm  domestic?  age 20   b.1886 Eng  imm 1904
   Pegg Amy  servant   age 14   b.1892  Eng imm 1906 
I'd found Wm on subsequent census, but no Amy. but that age was way off!
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=976984&ecopy=e001208086
1921 with wife Jessie & baby Wm. Last Mountain Sask.
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=68285906&ecopy=e003118697
1931 Pegg, J. William- dau. "Hilda" (I'd originally thought a connection to Hilda Amy)
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=84381394&ecopy=e011737599
     Mother: Jessie Gwendoline Bruton  Father: William Joseph Pegg
         William John Pegg    b.Jan 15 1921  10-27-06-3
         Hilda Gwendoline Pegg   b. Feb 10,  1923   10-27-06-3         
     http://genealogy.ehealthsask.ca/vsgs_srch.aspx
 Looked for a matching GRO Reference
   William Joseph Pegg- mother MdnNm Gilbert   Richmond Surry  June Qtr
   Marriage Jun 1876  Windsor a William Joseph Pegg & Georgina Gilbert
   but the only birth for a sister after him was a Mabel Winifred Mar Qtr 1888
   of which neither name nor age fit that census entry.

But then I found more of this same family in Saskatchewan and Manitoba...
Also looked up nickname "Amy" used in Eng. for Mabel, Amelia & Emily.
So despite the age difference it seems that Mildred (Amy) didn't stay here long,
as in the end, she appears to be on both Sask & U.K. censuses for 1911!!!
 

*********Eldest Brother*********
CEF Casualty Gilbert Joseph Martin Pegg  birth reg 1877 Windsor Dist.
    in 1906  He says imm 1903, wife Rachael says she came in 1904
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=977004&lang=eng&ecopy=e001208580
  Gilbert  & Rachael & 15 mo. old Gilbert W. from England Apr. 24th 1911 - Vermont, U.S.
   to Winnipeg Mb. headed to Brother J.P. Pegg  Loreburn Sask. 
   Gilbert says 1st entry to Canada was Ship Parisian to Halifax Mar. 20 1902
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQM-52LV
Rachael's entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-PSXB-7
 (found 1 birth reg. Sep Qtr 1911  - Ernest Lionel Pegg -MotherMdnNm Guntrip -Southwark)
 -son Gilbert Wm Henry- nothing in Manitoba vital stats - nor for their marriage
    Gilbert  & Rachael & wee sons : Rachel via Portland, Maine, United States
    as a returned Canadian  Ship: ASCANIA   arrival: April 1912
   *headed to Loreburn Sask. an Ethel Guntrip (S.I.L.) positioned before Gilbert Sr.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=paslisandborent&id=1011308&lang=eng&ecopy=e003623429
I guess his grain sales took him overseas often.
    His land grant was west of the 3rd Meridian right near bro - William Joseph Pegg
   140241 Gilbert Joseph Martin Pegg    SE   6   27  6  W3
               140550 William Joseph Pegg  NE  10  27  6  W3
   His C.E.F. signup for WW1
   attestation Winnipeg, Manitoba - Occ: Farmer & Grain Buyer
   b. March 12 (says 1878) #106034-1st Canadian Mounted Rifles
   Signup Jan 30, 1915   KIA May 28th 1916 Belgium  Will - widow wife Rachael
who was still living in Winnipeg at the time, but moved back to England
   https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=572655&lang=eng&ecopy=572004a
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Tree on FHS says their father William Joseph Pegg Died Mar 1911 Worthing, Sussex, Eng
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/L8WT-W98

Sister Georgina Pegg - 1881 Edmonton (her movements confirmed all finds)
1911- Quebec, Canada - headed to Loreburn Sask. to visit brother
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HL8-JSM
1916 Loreburn Saskatchewan/ Last Mountain /  27-6-4-
 William Pegg imm. 1904 farmer & Georgina Pegg 1886 imm 1911
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=43558049&lang=eng&ecopy=31228_4363966-01194
1924 March 1 -Victoria B.C. / In land routing by C.P.Rail
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68D6-9GTS
 Married in British Columbia, Canada  Nov. 13, 1924
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD88-4LX
 In 1931 B.C. census as Georgina Hole
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=86088225&lang=eng&ecopy=e011774383

Pegg, Ernest Marlborough Lional -  1882 Dec Qtr Shoreditch   
Looking for this unusual name found this family dedication with all censuses!
https://www.heenecemetery.org.uk/burial/georgina-pegg-buried-1928

So that rounds out this family...not such a mystery after all, for others searching.

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