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South Africa / Re: 1880s passenger lists
« on: Tuesday 24 January 23 14:36 GMT (UK)  »
Intriguing, thank you pampoen! Although i've discovered quite a lot about Watson Bros and the family, I wasn't aware of any legal issues. If someone were able to find out a bit more about the case I'd be very grateful.

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South Africa / 1880s passenger lists
« on: Wednesday 18 January 23 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

Three brothers among my ancestors James Watson (born 1856), Joseph Watson (born 1859-1861), and David Watson (born 1858) owned a grocery business called Watson Bros in Kimberley from the late 1880s (1889 according to the Ancestry Biographical Index entry for James who was clearly the leading light in the business) until 1916. They were all born and grew up in Keady, County Armagh in Ireland. I am uncertain about when they first arrived in South Africa. There were three passengers named Jas, Dan and Joseph Watson on the SS Drummond Castle leaving London for Cape Town in August 1890, but their declared ages are all up to 5 years wrong and these three couldn't have reached Kimberley until the very end of 1890 or early in 1891. Passenger lists from the 1880s include several earlier possible travel dates for one or more Watsons, e.g. Jas Watson on the RMS Athenian in 1882. Is there any way of confirming or disproving any 1880s travel by one or more of my ancestors?   

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Cork / Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« on: Monday 01 February 21 10:12 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for all your replies.

The Martha Welply who is my ancestor was apparently just called Martha, without her mother's maiden name Orr which may perhaps have been given to sons but not daughters. I'm saying this on the basis of her marriage certificate dated 1852, which confirms her father's name. To be honest I've not researched Martha's siblings. Incidentally I'm thinking that her residence at the time of her marriage was Enniskeane which is only 3 or 4 miles from Kinneigh.

I'd not seen the Church of Ireland list, which has two entries for Kinneigh, one showing that the records were lost while the other says that some records (maybe roughly those copied on the Paul Turner site) are at RCB under ref PC51. If I'm right, I'm assuming we need to wait till visits to the RCB are allowed before we can check for thye supposed 1820 Martha baptism?

As for the 1863 marriage mentioned below, Martha died in childbirth in 1862, and her widower James Orr Burchill then married her sister Eliza in 1863.




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Cork / Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« on: Sunday 31 January 21 21:49 GMT (UK)  »
William Welply, 1795-1852. Apparently a farmer in Kinneigh according to the Paul Turner website.

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Cork / Kinneigh, County Cork
« on: Sunday 31 January 21 19:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all

I'm trying to confirm the date and place of birth of my great great grandmother Martha Welply, born in County Cork, Ireland in the 1820s. The normal family history sites all show a birth on 24th April 1823 in Macroom, but I'm not convinced, given that her father was a farmer 20 miles away in Kinneigh and her siblings were born there. And I'm not aware of any family link with Macroom.

The www.paulturner.ca site shows a family tree with a baptismal record for Martha in Kinneigh on 6th September 1820, but the transcribed register on the same site doesn't show any such entry.   

What should I make of this? Has the transcription maybe omitted this one entry? Or has somebody just invented it, and if so why?

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South Africa / Re: Watsons in Kimberley
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 09:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Geoff. Anything more you can discover (maybe from your siblings) about South Africa would be helpful, or if you could confirm the location of the farm.

As regards tracing your ancestors, if you have Ancestry you can see what we have discovered on this family tree http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/24411283/family which my cousin has posted. You are shown without a name, but some of your siblings are named.  We may know more after our forthcoming visit to Ireland.

Hope that helps.

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South Africa / Re: Watsons in Kimberley
« on: Wednesday 06 August 14 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi again

I should have added that James, Thomas and Joseph had another brother who had issue, Robert (1849 to 1946) who could be your ancestor. He was a JP and lived just outside Keady.

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South Africa / Re: Watsons in Kimberley
« on: Wednesday 06 August 14 21:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi BlueCarlton

Definitely sounds like a link. I'm assuming that you are descended from James Watson (1856 to 1939) because Joseph died childless. Their brother Thomas George (1854 to 1928) was my great grandfather. I now know that James and his wife Edith and their children (Joyce, Kathleen, Beryl, Patricia, Esme, Blanche, Stella and David) sailed to the UK from South Africa in 1916. James settled at Broomhill near Fivemiletown, and that farm passed to David as eldest son (I think a second son Ian was born after 1916) when he died in 1939. My mother remembers staying at Broomhill in the 1930s, and I recall meeting Joyce and Stella at least in 1960. Very interested to know where you fit, not least because I'm visiting Keady with two other great grandchildren of Thomas in a fortnight.   

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South Africa / Kimberley Presbyterian Church, South Africa
« on: Saturday 19 July 14 17:29 BST (UK)  »
Hoping someone can help trace the marriage of James Watson to Edith at Kimberley Presbyterian Church in about 1900. James was an elder at the church. Edith was born in about 1879, probably in South Africa. James was born in Northern Ireland in 1856. Their first child was born in 1902. James and Edith sailed to England with their children in 1916, and then lived in Northern Ireland.

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