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Armed Forces / Re: British Army death in India 1880s
« on: Wednesday 22 August 12 17:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: ugo on Wednesday 22 August 12 17:17 BST (UK)

Debbie,

Try looking  at the NAT on line catalogue, you never know what it will throw up.

I looked at the muster &  pay rolls my self , could not find a mention of my man.

Joan

I've tried that and there is nothing that I don't know already.  A very experienced family researcher went to Kew on my behalf and he could only find the information that I have supplied.  I have access to the records at both Ancestry and FindMyPast but they don't tell me much either, not even when and where Henry Bangs died.  However, I presume his regiment must have recorded his death and that there must be a death certificate somewhere.  I suspect that he was buried at the Christian Cemetery in Nashik-Deolali, but I can't be sure.

Debbie

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army death in India 1880s
« on: Wednesday 22 August 12 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: ugo on Wednesday 22 August 12 16:22 BST (UK)
Hi Debbie,

Welcome. You found more that I mangered, have you tried Find my past, or maybe the 51st Foot, they may have records.

Good luck Joan

Hi Joan,

Thanks for your reply.  Yes, I've tried FindMyPast and there is no information.  As far as I know, the National Archives carry the records of the 51st Foot in Victorian times, at least those that survive.   All I've been able to find concerning Henry Bangs are the Muster, Pay and Married Rolls from 1877 onwards and there is a note of his death on 2nd November 1880 and the fact that his family returned to England on 13th November.  Nothing further regarding his death is mentioned.  So, I would like to know if there is anywhere else I could search.  I've also tried the the India Office Family History website mentioned in this forum but their search engine doesn't seem to be working at the moment.

Debbie

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army death in India 1880s
« on: Wednesday 22 August 12 15:02 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I am looking for information concerning the death of a relative in India in 1880.  The details are as follows:

Name: Henry Bangs (born 1832 in Mildenhall, Suffolk)
Regiment: 51st Foot
Regimental Number: 1121
Rank: Private
Date of Death: 2nd November 1880
Place of Death: Deolali, India

Henry Bangs was married with children and his widow (my husband's great aunt) returned to England on 13th November 1880.

I found the above information at the National Archives in Kew.  What I would now like to find out, if possible, is what he died of, where he is buried, and how to obtain a death certificate.

I'm hoping that someone can help me, or at least point me in the right direction :-)

Thanks,

Debbie

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Monday 30 January 12 23:30 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Garen on Saturday 28 January 12 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hello Debbie

I had a look at the Afghan war medal roll for the 51st Regiment and can see no Henry Bangs listed, unfortunately. If he was with this regiment as of 1878 then he may have fallen ill before they went off to the frontier, and perhaps died in 1878 or 1879, away from his regiment. It certainly seems as though he was not in Afghanistan with the 51st.

Do you know if he was part of the Jowaki campaign in 1877? The 51st Foot took part in that, so he should appear on the Jowaki medal roll.

(Edit: I just looked up the 51st Foot on the Jowaki medal roll at Ancestry and don't see Henry Bangs listed under the B's (Asia > India 1875-1877 > Perak 1875-76 - 3rd, 10th and 80th Regiments of Foot, Others; Jowaki 1877 - Royal Artillery, Others > p.14) - is there a chance Henry was with another regiment after 1876/77?

The next best thing to check would probably be the muster rolls for the 51st at Kew. I believe the reference you'd want would be WO 16/1811 (you can type that refernce into the National Archives catalogue search box here).

Sorry I can't be more help than that at the moment.

Best wishes - Garen

Hello Garen,

Thanks very much for your reply.  In the meantime I have been doing some checking myself at Ancestry and have found a document (ref WO 100/21A, generic date range 1846-1866) showing that Henry Bangs served with the 51st Regiment of Foot in India prior to his marriage in 1867 when stationed at Western Heights Barracks in Dover (his marriage certificate just states "Soldier" for occupation).  On the record at Ancestry he is listed as a Private in the 51st with the regimental number of 1121. Given that he was 32 when he married, I presume that this earlier record of his service in India was his first "tour of duty", so to speak.  What is curious about this record is that all the soldiers from the 51st Regiment appeared to have been denied a campaign medal.  The note against the names states "Not allowed by Indian Goverment vide .. (unreadable) in chief's letter 10.2.70" - whatever that means.  By the time of the birth of his first child at Weymouth Barracks in 1869 Henry had been promoted to Colour Sergeant with the 51st.

I have researched the history of the 51st Regiment and they were certainly in Fyzabad and Peshawar at the time some of the Bangs children were born.

It could be possible that Henry changed regiments though.  His uncle Thomas Bangs served in three different regiments, including the 51st.

I will certainly check the records at Kew under the reference number you have given me, because other than that, I don't know where to look next.

Kind regards,

Debbie





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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Saturday 28 January 12 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I have just joined this forum and am searching for information on the death of Henry Bangs who served as a Colour Sergeant with the 51st King's Own Light Infantry stationed in Fyzabad and Peshawar between 1872 and 1880.  Henry Bangs was born in Mildenhall, Suffolk in around 1835 and married my husband's great aunt, Elizabeth Ann Stubbs, in 1867 whilst stationed at the Western Heights Barracks in Dover, Kent.

4 children were born in India:
Agnes Martha Bangs b1873 in Fyzabad
Alfred William Bangs b1875 in Fyzabad, d1876 in Peshawar
George Bangs b1877 in Peshawar
Elizabeth Ann Bangs b1879 (March) in Dagshai

By 1881 Elizabeth Ann Stubbs was widowed and living with her surviving children in Salford, Lancashire.  There is no record of Henry Bangs' death in England and we therefore assume that he died in India around 1879/80.

I have searched the military records on the internet and there is no record of Henry Bangs' death in India.  As the last child was born in Dagshai, it is possible that Henry Bangs died there.  I know from research that there was a hospital for tuberculosis patients built by the British at Dagshai, so perhaps he died of illness.

However, I know for certain that Henry Bangs was a soldier with the 51st King's Own Light Infantry Regiment in the 1870s and that this regiment fought in the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War.  Surely there must be a record of deaths of soldiers from this regiment in India somewhere, whether they died in battle, or from illness?

Any help in tracing where and when Henry Bangs died would be most welcome.

Debbie



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