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Thanks for this Geoff.

Sorry but I don't know what BI or SGBI means, so could you enlighten me?

The information that you have given me confirms my research, but I'm not sure how to make the connection between the information and "my" Thomas without having some sort of proof that he was in Alveston in 1831, although it seems to me to be most likely as the rest of the family were there in 1841.

Being agricultural labourers they did move around so much!  However, I'm lucky in that they only seem to have moved around Thornbury and along the A38 between Gloucester and Alveston.

Best wishes
Sue

Thanks for both responses.

I've previously joined the Howes one name group and have provided Paul Howes with information on my family as it appears that the Gloucestershire group were not really being researched - much more on the Norfolk group.  The site has been really helpful.

I've researched Charlotte and know that she was:

Christened in Brookthorpe,Glos in June 1776 (parish records)
Married in Norton, Glos on 12th Jan 1797 to Thomas Howes (parish records)
Her son John (my 2nd great grandfather) was christened on 5th November 1799 (parish records)
Her second son Joseph was christened on 11th April 1802 (parish records).

1841 census incorrectly gives her age as 60.

I have a copy of her death certificate which shows place of death as Vilner Farm, and that she was aged 66 and the widow of Thomas Howse (yet another variant of the name).

I've got a potential lead to a burial for Thomas Howes in St Helens in Alveston on 7th April 1831 and would like to check out whether this is "my" Thomas, which seems likely.  So I thought that by finding out who was living in Vilner Farm in 1831 I might be able to substantiate this.  Joseph was still farming at Vilner Farm in 1851.

So any further information on how to progress this would be really useful.

Best wishes
Sue

Hello,

Could anyone help me to identify who was living at Vilner Farm, Thornbury in 1831?  I am trying to find more information about the Howes Family, who were living there in 1841.  In particular I am interested in knowing whether Thomas Howes (father of Joseph) was living there.

Thomas's wife Charlotte was living there with Joseph in 1841 as a widow, so I presume that Thomas died before 1841.  I've found a Thomas Howes buried in Alveston on 7/4/1831 aged 60.

Any pointers on what documents to look for would be most appreciated.  I've tried the 1831 census but got nowhere.

Thanks
Sue 

Hello Everyone,

I have all the information on the children and all the census records etc because I've researched all of them pretty thoroughly in the hope of tracing the mysterious Emma (MaryAnn).

Is the actual Marriage Record different from that of the record of marriages solemnized? I have that (it's St Paul's number 742) and it gives her name as Emma Mills.

All the children are born to John Howes (also Hawes, House, Howse etc) so would getting Caroline's actual birth certificate give me any more information?  Caroline was married and her married name was Salmon and she was buried in the non conformist section of Thornbury graveyard, so perhaps the archivist's suggestion that Emma was a non conformist is correct.

However, that doesn't explain why the first three children were recorded as being born to John and MaryAnn after his marriage to Emma.

There are other Mary Ann's in the family; for example Joseph Howse (John's brother) mentioned in Trish's message below has a daughter named Mary Ann, but I suppose it was a fairly common name at that time and doesn't necessarily mean that she was named for her aunt.

She seems such a shadowy person, yet she had seven children and her life is well documented in some ways.  Fascinating.

My thanks again for your help.