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Lancashire / Re: All Saints Church - Habergham Eaves, nr Burnley
« on: Friday 30 July 10 13:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Aulus on Wednesday 28 July 10 18:02 BST (UK)
Quote from: dotty on Thursday 01 September 05 07:15 BST (UK)
Marriage between John Whittaker and Susannah Stanworth March qtr 1854 Burnley 8e 810


According to lancashirebmd that marriage was at Burnley St Peter's.

It's entry no. 281 in the register, so you could post a lookup request and somebody going to LRO (possibly me, next Tues!) could look it up for you.

Hi Aulus

Thanks for your message on the thread and for your offer of a (possible) lookup.

CanCan was correct in their assumption as I have had the details of John and Susannah's marriage for some time - it took place on 25th February 1854 at St Peter's Church, Burnley.

Just goes to show that no matter how old some of the messages on these boards are - there's always someone looking at them, and offering advice, which is fantastic!

Thanks again, and hope you find what you're after at the LRO next week!!

Cheers!  Alison x

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Lancashire / Re: All Saints Church - Habergham Eaves, nr Burnley
« on: Wednesday 28 July 10 12:13 BST (UK)  »

Thanks for the link to the photo Kris!  Makes you realise what hard lives our ancestors must have had... 

Cheers!  Alison x

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Query on Birth Registration - Hugh TUNNEY (1840 to 1856!)
« on: Wednesday 03 February 10 19:18 GMT (UK)  »
Continued....

Here is Elizabeth in 1911:

1911 Census:  55 Warwick Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Elizabeth TUNNEY    Head    Widow     47                                                 b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Mary TUNNEY           Dau       Unm        26      Rope Maker                       b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Sarah TUNNEY          Dau      Unm         22     Rope Maker                        b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Edward TUNNEY        Son      Unm         18     Trunk Maker                       b:  Liverpool, Lancs
William TUNNEY       Son      Unm         16      Trunk Maker's Apprentice   b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Andrew TUNNEY        Son                      12     School                                 b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Francis TUNNEY        Son                      10      School                                b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Elizabeth TUNNEY     Dau                      7                                                   b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Alice TUNNEY            Dau                      6                                                   b:  Liverpool, Lancs
(Census transcript shows that Elizabeth had given birth to 13 children, 4 of whom had died before 1911)

The 7 year old Elizabeth Tunney in 1911 was in actual fact the daughter of unmarried Mary (I have her birth certificate), and was put down on the census as daughter, when she should have been granddaughter!

The only Hugh Tunney I can find who died between 1901 and 1911 is the one who died in Q1 1910 in the Toxteth Park District.

Also - I find a Hugh Tunney marrying an Ann Otttaway Q4 1870 in Liverpool, and the death of an Ann Tunney in Q1 1881 aged 29, again in Liverpool.

Incidentally - I am unable to find "my" Hugh on the 1871 census - only his parents!

This has got to be the same man hasn't it?!  I love all this detective work, and this one has kept me busy for quite a while now!

Cheers!!  Alison

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Query on Birth Registration - Hugh TUNNEY (1840 to 1856!)
« on: Wednesday 03 February 10 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to you all for your interesting theories and suggestions....  I'm 99% convinced that the Hugh Tunney on the difference census is the same man - please see the following transcripts (I have ommited lodgers):

1851 Census:  35 Brick Street, Liverpool, Lancs  (Transcribed as TURNEY)
Hugh TUNNEY    Head    Marr    55    Dock Lab.                           b:  Ireland
Mary TUNNEY   Wife    Marr       45                                                b:  Ireland
Bridget TUNNEY   Dau               22    Laundry Maid                    b:  Ireland
Margaret TUNNEY  Dau             20    Fish Seller                         b:  Ireland
MARY TUNNEY     Dau                16     Fish Seller                         b:  Ireland
Winifred TUNNEY   Dau             14     Fish Seller                          b:  Birmingham
Hugh TUNNEY           Son          11      Scholar                              b:  Bilston, Staffordshire
Ann TUNNEY           Dau             8       Scholar                              b:  L'pool, Lancs

1861 Census:  33 Brick Street, Liverpool, Lancs  (Written as TUNNY)
Hugh TUNNY    Head    Marr    66    Dock Labourer                       b:  Ct Mayo, Ireland
Mary TUNNY   Wife   Marr    56     Housekeeper                          b:  Ct Mayo, Ireland
Mary TUNNY    Dau      Unm     25    Servant                                   b:  Scotland
Hugh TUNNY    Son      Unm     19     Striker in Smithy                   b:  Stafford
Ann TUNNY      Dau       Unm    18      Servant                                  b:  Liverpool
Wm BARRETT   Nephew          12      Scholar                                   b:  Liverpool
James TUNNY  Nephew           3        Scholar                                   b:  Liverpool

1871 Census: 33 Brick Street, Liverpool   (Transcribed as TUNEY) 
Hugh TUNNEY    Head    Marr    60      Miller                 b:  Ireland
Mary TUNNEY    Wife   Marr    50                                 b:  Ireland
?? TUNNEY        Son               13      Scholar               b:  Liverpool  (Looks like Ginley crossed out and a very faint James added)


1881 Census:  33 Brick Street, Liverpool, Lancs (Written as TUNNY)
Hugh TUNNY    Head    Marr    38    Oil Miller                             b:  Liverpool
Anne TUNNY    Wife   Marr    29                                                  b:  Liverpool
Anne TUNNY    Dau                   10     Scholar                                b:  Liverpool
James TUNNY   Son                  8       Scholar                                b:  Liverpool
Hugh TUNNY     Son                  6       Scholar                                b:  Liverpool
Thomas TUNNY   Son                5       Scholar                                b:  Liverpool
Agnes TUNNY    Dau                 3                                                    b:  Liverpool
Mary J TUNNY   Dau                6 mths                                            b:  Liverpool
Mary TUNNY   Mother   Widow  60                                               b:  Ireland

1891 Census:  30 Cooper Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Hugh TUNNEY    Head     Marr    38    Hammer...... Smith ?         b:  Staffordshire
E (sic) TUNNEY    Wife    Marr   28                                              b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Agnes TUNNEY    Dau                  11     Scholar                              b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Mary TUNNEY     Dau                   8     Scholar                               b:  Liverpool, Lancs
John TUNNEY      Son                   5                                                b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Sarah TUNNEY    Dau                   3                                                b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Richard TUNNEY    Son                4 mths                                       b:  Liverpool, Lancs

1901 Census:  2/1 New Henderson Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool   (Transcribed as TUNNY)
Hugh TUNNEY           Head     Marr    50      General Labourer               b:  Bilson, Staffs
Elizabeth TUNNEY    Wife    Marr    37      Charwoman                         b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Mary TUNNEY            Dau                   16      Charwoman                         b:  Liverpool, Lancs
John TUNNEY             Son                   14      Errand Post Boy                 b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Sarah TUNNEY           Dau                   12                                                  b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Edward TUNNEY        Son                    8                                                   b:  Liverpool, Lancs
William TUNNEY        Son                    6                                                  b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Andrew TUNNEY        Son                    2                                                   b:  Liverpool, Lancs
Francis TUNNEY         Son                   2 mths                                           b:  Liverpool, Lancs


1851-1881 must be the same family because of the address, and I know that the Hugh I have been querying was a widower when he married Elizabeth Benyon in 1883.

More to follow.......


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Family History Beginners Board / Query on Birth Registration - Hugh TUNNEY (1840 to 1856!)
« on: Saturday 30 January 10 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
I've been tracing my FH for many years, but recently have reason to ask the following question regarding the registration of a birth...

Would it be possible for a baby to be born, but have his birth registered somewhere completely different?

I am tracking my husband's ancestors - surname TUNNEY - from the Liverpool area.  Hugh TUNNEY (sometimes TUNNY or TUNEY) was born about 1842 - ish!

On the 1851 census his birth place was given as Bilston, Staffs (aged 11)
On the 1861 census his birth place was given as Stafford (aged 19)
Unable to find him on the 1871 census
On the 1881 census his birth place was given as Liverpool (aged 38)
He marries as a widower in 1883 - age given on the M Cert as 32!!
On the 1891 census his birth place was given as Staffordshire (aged 38!)
On the 1901 census his birth place was given as Bilson, Staffs (aged 50)

Hugh dies in 1910 in the Toxteth Park District, age given as 54!

This gives a possible birth year between 1840 and 1856!

For starters, I think I have to take the ages he gives with a pinch of salt (seeing as when he married in 1883 his new wife was only 18 and he already had at least 6 children with first wife Anne), but I am unable to find any Hugh Tunney (or other spelling) born in the Staffordshire area between 1840 and 1857, but I do find two Hugh's in the Liverpool District, one in 1842 and the other in 1845.

His father was also Hugh Tunney, a labourer, and according to the different census, children were born in Ireland, Scotland, Birmingham and Liverpool (as well as Staffs)!

If the family were in the process of moving from one place to another, is it feasible that Hugh's birth registration could have been done in Liverpool, even if he HAD been born in Staffs?

Has anyone else ever come across this conundrum??  :-\

Thanks.... Alison in chilly Swindon!



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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: 1871 Census, Liverpool - Missing TUNNEY family
« on: Monday 25 January 10 16:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou........ :)

I can now see they were transcribed as TUNEY - and I knew (hoped) I'd come up trumps posting on here!

You're both stars - and thanks for taking the time to help.  This should now give me a few more clues to the family.

Brilliant!   Alison

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / 1871 Census, Liverpool - Missing TUNNEY family
« on: Monday 25 January 10 15:43 GMT (UK)  »
I've been trying to locate the Tunney family in Liverpool on the 1871 census:

1851 (as TURNEY) they were at 35 Brick Street, Liverpool (head Hugh, wife Mary, children incl Hugh aged 11)
1861 (as TUNNY) they were at 33 Brick Street, Liverpool (head Hugh, wife Mary, children incl Hugh aged 19)
1871 TBA
1881 (as TUNNY) son Hugh (aged 38) was still at 33 Brick Street, Liverpool (with wife Anne)

Hugh TUNNEY, plus wife Mary TUNNEY (both born in County Mayo, Ireland), and other children include:  Bridget, Mary, Winifred, Margaret and Ann as well as Hugh.

I have membership to Ancestry and have tried all forename/surname combinations, as well as actually searching through the enumerator's description sheets for parts of Liverpool, but to no avail.

Does anyone have access to the 1871 Liverpool street index, which might show the folio/piece numbers etc for Brick Street?  What "area" of Liverpool would Brick Street fall under?

Any advice to help me knock this brick (street) wall down greatly appreciated.  These are my husband's 2 x Gt Grandparents - and trying to find out a bit more about them!

Thanks...  Alison

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Lancashire / Re: Hayhurst / Hurst - Hapton & Habergham Eaves 1840+
« on: Saturday 10 March 07 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Mo....

These do look my family, and I've been given some more baptisms from the BVRI discs for other children who appear to be the children of Thomas and Fanny/Frances - and they are looking very suspiciously like the children listed on the censuses!!   ;)

More to get my teeth into which is fantastic!

Thanks again....  Alison x

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Lancashire / Re: Hayhurst / Hurst - Hapton & Habergham Eaves 1840+
« on: Thursday 08 March 07 15:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Mo

Thanks for your message re my Hayhurst family.  This definitely looks like them!  ;D

Big clue there is finding Anne or Annie Welden living in Fanny's household in 1881.

I have been unable to find husband and wife Samuel and Annie Hayhurst on 1891 census, but suspect I have found the death of Samuel Hayhurst in Q1 1886 in Blackburn, aged 33.  I did a search in FreeBMD to see if it's possible that Annie Hayhurst remarried - and found one possibility - Q4 1886 in Blackburn to either Francis Cross or James Rimmer.

The 1891 census finds a Francis and Annie Cross living in Blackburn - with a 7 year old son called Samuel Cross... ::)  Samuel would have been born about 1884 - and I expect it's possible that he took on his new stepfather's surname?! 

Incidentally, Annie's place of birth in 1891 and 1901 are York and Elvington respectively - this seems to be the "Elberton" stated in the 1881 census!  (Elvington is where TV presenter Richard Hammond had his near fatal crash last year....)!

Anyway - I will keep plugging away with this family, and I'm slowly getting there - so thanks a million again for pointing me in the right direction.

You're a star - as always!! ;)

Cheers...  Alison x

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