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Hi
Sorry I know it's a bit late to put more my ore in but John Williams was a publican.
He father Henry ,mother Ann and the rest of the family are running a Pub in Ruiton in 1851.
He is a publican oh son Henry's baptism 1856 so my guess he carried on in the trade.
There is a John Williams born c 1830 with his 'wife' Martha at the Fighting Cocks Sedgley who would fit the bill.He's there 1871 and 1881 censuses.
He died 1829 - Mar 1884.

Worth checking out . Just a thought

Ciderdrinker

Hi
Rupert LLoyd Jones 29.4.1908- 10 Sep 1974 St Helens .there is a Will St Helens Road Ecclesdon Park.
In 1939 he owned a chemist and worked with ARP ist aid.
It looks like he married and had a least one child.

Ellis Rowland Jones 10.10.1910- mar 1989 Sefton
11 may 1937 working on Aquitainia Southampton to NY as a cabin waiter.He had been with them 5 years .

Dad John Rowland Jones 19.6.1880 -12.11.1962 .again a will for him
Mercy 22.1.1872- June 1961 Prescot.

Ciderdrinker

Hi
That's really interesting.
Joan V Beer's younger sister Stella Mary Beer was born end of 1933 registered Mar 1934 at St Thomas Devon.
She married a Mr Ronald Henry Andrews Sep 1953 Exeter
Ronald Henry 8.7.1929-2.5.1993 Exeter  at 82 Bowhay Lane Exeter 1939.
Still can't see Stella on 1939 index but she marries under the surnames Beer and Dyer so perhaps fostered or adopted?
Any way they have 2 children 1955 and 1956.A Daughter and son.

Stella remarried after Ronald's death Feb 1998  and died in 2021 at Exeter.
Stella M Lee 29.12.1933- 12.5.2021.

So if your cousin is the grandchild of Stella ,she would be the great granddaughter of Laura Mary Worth/Wood /Beer/Mullis/Crook.
So it would all fit.
Does that help?
Anything sound familiar?

Ciderdrinker

Hi
Let's start with Frances Dodson and her children.
She married John Watson at Battersea 25.8.1823 . Wit Margaret and Lucy Avery.
Children- all at Lambeth
Jane Watson 10.5.1827- 11.11.1827 Grays Walk father painter
Mary Ann 5.12.1831- 18.12 1831 Catherine St father painter and glazier
William bapt 25.5.1834 bur probably born 1828 Catherine St
Thomas 25.5.1834
Frederic 3.3.1836- 29.5.1836
John 30.6.1837 -23.11.1837 father dec Catherine St on baptism.
Then the 2 Trinder children bot baptised -Albert June 1841 and Charles 1843.

John Watson senior born c 1803 buried 30.4.1837 Catherine St Lambeth.
So Frances was able to marry Thomas Trinder.

1841 census Catherine St
Thomas Trinder 45 ginger bread maker y
John 17 Ginger bread maker
Thomas 7
Frances Watson 35 laundress
William 12
Thomas 8.

William is with Frances in 1861 unmarried bath attendent 5 Valentine Row Lambeth

Thomas marries 27.9.1857 Trinity Church Lambeth
Thomas Watson seal? board cutter Carlile St John painter
Frances Moss same d of John bricklayer
wit James E Nicholls and Mary Ann Whiting.
They had a daughter Rosina bapt st Mary the Less Lambeth 23.1.1859 97 Union St Scale board maker.
Something happens to the family as Rosina is with her grnadparents  1861 21 King st under John and Elizabeth Map.
By 1871 90 Union st Lambeth
Fanny Watson 33 widow laundress Lambeth
Rosana 12 scholar.
So Thomas seems to have died but no sign of a burial.
For Albert you need post 1861
And Charles post 1871 when he is with his mother  at 35 James St .
Still got nothing on them post that.

Ciderdrinker

Hello
Just to add a few burial details.
Devereux buried Herne 26th Jan 1728
Wife of Devereux buried 12.7.1726

And we know he had William 20.10.1720 ,Margaret 22.12.1722 and possible Catherine 8.3.1726-13.3.1726 (father given as Diddy)

It looks like his widow either married 17.2.1741 Benjamin Graveley bach of Greenwich by licence or died Mary Hyatt widow 21.11.1762 .
There is also a Benjamin s of Widow Hyatt baptised 31.8.1735.
Which is all great but still no baptism.

Ciderdrinker