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Bedfordshire / Re: Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Friday 27 January 12 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, John King paid for a total of 4 people, James Toone being one of them. That was 1651. However, by the time of his death he had amassed quite an estate, not wealthy by the days standards but at least worthy of a mention in passing:

"Substantial planters such as Samuel Hopkins, George Garland, Stanley Gower and Thomas
Yeatman all owned convict servants. So too did small planters like Thomas Nash, Jr. William
Crewsden, William Walker, William Richardson, Edward Hinkley, William Griffin, Edward Franklin,
Francis Christian, Charles Spoe, William Taylor and JAMES TOONE. "

There is another James Tune transported in 1673, I believe this to be his son as James jr is mentioned in James sr's will, mother unknown. I suspect that he made arrangements for his son to come over to Virginia after he had settled.

And yes, by "transported" I mean as a headright. I have the source document listing the deed for John King mentioning my ancestor. Thanks for the resource on ports and indentured life, Bristol makes sense, right close to the midlands.


Another question: would a feather bed be something that one would transport over to Virginia from England? How about a gun?

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Bedfordshire / Re: Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Friday 27 January 12 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Because hopefully somewhere amongst US land records or personal letters that may have survived will be something that narrows down where he was from in England, or something that names a relative in England. The only document in England that might help is his father's will, if he left one, and if his father was still living when he emigrated, which might name him.

Yes, this is my reasoning as well.

Your hope that because he was well documented in the US he'll be equally well documented in England is a non sequitur, and even if there are English documents you've still got to prove that it's the same James.

I was afraid youd say something like that lol. But it does stand to reason, and this discussion is definitely helping to narrow my research focus!


Have you found whether the James baptised in Bletchley was buried young, or whether he married in Bletchley, either of which could eliminate him?

What makes you believe Ann Duncombe was from Beds?

Im still tracking down the actual LDS records (I have a copy but want to pull the original to compare) on the James in Bletchley. The other area of curiosity I have is the sort of 'culture of the times,' that is to say what was the actual process by which people signed up to move to the colonies? From which ports did they leave? Would an ancestor most likely have lived in London at the time or a port city? Was it common for people move from places like Bletchley or Bedford to London? All early 1600s, right after the collapse of the Virginia Company when it was taken over by the Crown.

As for Ann Duncombe, I needed an area to start my research on her and after a preliminary search I found an Ann and a bunch of other Duncombes living in Beds within the time period in question. A place to start, nothing conclusive yet. Shes a corollary to my Tune research.


Heres another question: James' first son James' is not listed among his children with Ann Duncombe, yet still listed on the final will, which makes me believe that James sr. was married before as the mortality rate was pretty high in the Virginia Colonies at that time (c.1651). So, is it possible or conceivable that James sr's first wife (James jr's mother) could have been transported along with him? Which is to say that as James was transported along with 3 other people, could his first wife be among that list? There are 2 women on that list!




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Bedfordshire / Re: Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Friday 27 January 12 05:15 GMT (UK)  »
The proof is likely to come from US records

How so?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Books of Interest to everyone
« on: Friday 27 January 12 01:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the book recommends, will definitely be ordering a few of them.


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Bedfordshire / Re: Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Thursday 26 January 12 08:52 GMT (UK)  »
It's always very difficult to prove that someone baptised in England is the same person who emigrated to the USA in the early days. Bear in mind that the IGI is also far from complete so there's every chance that your James baptism isn't on it at all. And also remember that some parish registers have been lost.  But it's the nearest we have to a national baptism index for that era.

Im hoping the fact that he was well documented once in the US will reveal a similar trend in the UK.

Are there no records in the US which might give a clue as to where in England he was from? If not it's pure guesswork. Do you have the passenger list of the ship he emigrated on? Perhaps other passengers were from the same parish as James.

My closest indication is the fact that my James appeared to have owned land with a Luke Billington; my feeling is that they, or the families, might have known each other in England. Ive copied excerpts from that deed as well as a possible record for both James and Luke Billington.

My James married Ann Duncombe, who I believe was from Bedfordshire, this also might be a possible link.

"18 Nov. 1663
LUKE BILLINGTON & JAMES TUNE, 386 A. 2 R. & 20 P. "to which since added 270 acs. (in the county of Rappahanocke at the head of Farnham Creek) lieing between this and land of Ro. Bedwell, the bounds of which joyntly are: beg. at cor. tree of Robt. Bayly and on the land of John Williams, running S. &c. neere branches of Totoskey Cr. &c. 18 Nov. 1663, p. 345, (357). Trans. of 14 pers: Jno Searle, Wm. Partin, Jno Young, Fra. Clay, Wm. Wroth, Mary Shell, JNO. TUNE, Cornelious Young, JAMES SHORT, Tho. Ceely, Jno Mount, Mary Hartwell,
Sam.Cornix, Jane Fisher
Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book 5, Page 506 by Nell Nugent"


POSSIBLE RECORD FOR MY JAMES:
James Townes baptised 17 Apr 1620 BLETCHLEY, BUCKINGHAM, ENGLAND
father - William Townes


LUKE BILLINGTON
Luke Billington bapt 5 Nov 1612 BLETCHLEY, BUCKINGHAM, ENGLAND
 father - Thomas Billington

Even if you find a baptism that could fit it's still a monumental task to prove it's the right James. First you need to show that he might be the right one by checking marriages and burials in that parish to see if he stayed in England. Did the fathers of any possible James leave a will naming his son James in America? Have you checked the TNA catalogue at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ?

Aye, Ive trawled through that nationalarchives site, which I have to say is quite amazing and comprehensive! Ive looked for every instance of Tune/Toone, etc that I could find and made a digital copy for my comparative records. Ive even plotted where those records came from on a google map to see if some kind of pattern emerged from the dispersal - which was kind of revealing actually.

Secondly, our family line has been pretty consistent with its naming patterns. That is to say, my James named his first son James, which might mean his father was also a James? I do have a copy of my James' will, nothing is mentioned of England in there, the only reference I have is of a John King, who is the person who transported my James over from England. I am currently also searching to find the name of the ship and its departure point - a difficult task from what I am finding out.

Whew!

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Bedfordshire / Re: Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Wednesday 25 January 12 05:53 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, and I found a few hits (possibilities) on the familysearch site; however, how would that amount to documenting? If I did come across something, I would need to document it, that is, substantiate that record as a family connection.

Any suggestions?

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Tune, Toone, Townes in Yorkshire
« on: Monday 23 January 12 08:20 GMT (UK)  »
I am a family genealogist looking for an ancestor named James Toone (Town, Towne, Tune, or any other phonetic variant) who would have been born circa 1620 in England. He emigrated to America in 1651 where he subsequently married (Ann Duncombe), had 5 children and passed in 1676. He is my 8th great-grandfather.
 
The Tune surname and its variants seem to have a high incidence in this County. I am not searching for records in America, but, rather, records documenting James Toone (or any phonetic variation Tune/Town(e)/Toon(e), Townes etc) in ENGLAND in the time period c.1620.

There are numerous records on the US side, much of which was compiled and catalogued by my cousin Gloria Tune - so if you search Ancestry, etc and see her name just know that I have all of that research. She is simply a brilliant family historian!

Any help in searching UK records for this person would be of inestimable value to our family line.

Not to be presumptive, but I have listed the variations of Tune that I have come across to aid in your search; although I suspect Tune, Towne, Town, Toone, or Townes to be the most likely candidates for my James.
 
Tune; Towne, Town, Toone, Toon, Towen, Tone, Toun, Toane, Toan, Thune, Toons, Towns, Towens, atte + any of the above variants.
 
 
Thank you very much for your time  :)  :)  :)


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Bedfordshire / Tune, Toone, Townes in Bedfordshire
« on: Monday 23 January 12 08:16 GMT (UK)  »
I am a family genealogist looking for an ancestor named James Toone (Town, Towne, Tune, or any other phonetic variant) who would have been born circa 1620 in England. He emigrated to America in 1651 where he subsequently married (Ann Duncombe), had 5 children and passed in 1676. He is my 8th great-grandfather.
 
The Tune surname and its variants seem to have a high incidence in this County. I am not searching for records in America, but, rather, records documenting James Toone (or any phonetic variation Tune/Town(e)/Toon(e), Townes etc) in ENGLAND in the time period c.1620.

There are numerous records on the US side, much of which was compiled and catalogued by my cousin Gloria Tune - so if you search Ancestry, etc and see her name just know that I have all of that research. She is simply brilliant as a family historian!

Any help in searching UK records for this person would be of inestimable value to our family line.

Not to be presumptive, but I have listed the variations of Tune that I have come across to aid in your search; although I suspect Tune, Towne, Town, Toone, or Townes to be the most likely candidates for my James.
 
Tune; Towne, Town, Toone, Toon, Towen, Tone, Toun, Toane, Toan, Thune, Toons, Towns, Towens, atte + any of the above variants.
 
 
Thank you very much for your time  :)  :)  :)
 


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The Common Room / Re: James Tune/Toon(e)/Town(e)
« on: Monday 23 January 12 02:23 GMT (UK)  »
Just a thought here  8):

At the very bottom is an excerpt for a James Townes and Luke Billington. I am trying to document my line in England. So, if Luke Billington and James Tune knew each other in Virginia, could they have had ties in England? Are there any BILLINGTON family historians out there that could possibly shed light on the status of any James Tunes (Toone, Towne, etc) in Bucks?

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"18 Nov. 1663
LUKE BILLINGTON & JAMES TUNE, 386 A. 2 R. & 20 P. "to which since added 270 acs. (in the county of Rappahanocke at the head of Farnham Creek) lieing between this and land of Ro. Bedwell, the bounds of which joyntly are: beg. at cor. tree of Robt. Bayly and on the land of John Williams, running S. &c. neere branches of Totoskey Cr. &c. 18 Nov. 1663, p. 345, (357). Trans. of 14 pers: Jno Searle, Wm. Partin, Jno Young, Fra. Clay, Wm. Wroth, Mary Shell, JNO. TUNE, Cornelious Young, JAMES SHORT, Tho. Ceely, Jno Mount, Mary Hartwell,
Sam.Cornix, Jane Fisher
Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book 5, Page 506 by Nell Nugent"


POSSIBLE RECORD FOR MY JAMES:
James Townes baptised 17 Apr 1620 BLETCHLEY, BUCKINGHAM, ENGLAND
father - William Townes


CAN ANYONE PROVIDE INFORMATION OR KNOW ABOUT THE BILLINGTONS?
Luke Billington bapt 5 Nov 1612 BLETCHLEY, BUCKINGHAM, ENGLAND
 father - Thomas Billington

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