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London and Middlesex / Re: William Charles Race
« on: Friday 09 March 12 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Rosie for your information re 20 Randle Place. I will now remove that address.  I have come up with another Electoral address for William Race: 1892 Globe Buildings in Rotherhithe. Also, 1895 William Race was registered at 198 Jamaica Road Rotherhite and in 1901 196 Jamaica Road. in 1915 he is at 258 Lower Road Rotherhithe. Can you help with these addresses?

Also, Williams mother Hanna, on her death cert lists address as 99 Creek Road, Deptford. Could William or Thomas be living here with her?

Your time and help is much appreciated by my family. We have not given up, but are at a loss as to how to proceed.

Many thanks

Thomas Race

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Family History Beginners Board / William Charles Race - a real brain teaser
« on: Friday 09 March 12 09:55 GMT (UK)  »
Good afternoon everyone,

Almost completed my family tree.... but my great uncle William Charles Race refuses to reveal if he married, or when, and where he died.

He was born in Limehouse Stepney 14/02/1866. His father was William Race b1820 - d 1879 at 34 Giffen St Deptford.

1871 Census shows him with his siblings Thomas and Alice at the Mile End Industrial School

1881 Census shows him with mother Hannah and bother Thomas at 10 Berthon Terrace Deptford. Also at this address, his
sister Alice,has now married, and is shown as Alice Rogerson.

1891 Census shows him with mother Hannah and bother Thomas at 21 Regent St Deptford.

1895 mother Hannah dies in the Union Infirmary (Work House) address on death cert 99 Creek Road Deptford. Possibly William and Thomas were living with her?

Thereafter, my great uncle William vanishes.

Electoral registers in 1892,3,4 & 5 show a William Race at 20 Randle Place Roan St Greenwich.

However, I cannot be sure that this is him.

No record of him marrying or his death. His occupation was usually a labourer and it is likely that he did not use his middle name of Charles.

Any help with either information of guidance would be most gratefully received.

Thank you for reading this.

God bless

Thomas Race 
 
 PS I do have the birth death certs for both parents and siblings.
 

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London and Middlesex / Re: William Charles Race
« on: Thursday 08 March 12 20:48 GMT (UK)  »
Death of William's brother Thomas was 3rd August 1938 in the Miller Hospital Greenwich.

Thanks for your interest..... it's a real brain teaser.

Tom

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London and Middlesex / William Charles Race
« on: Thursday 08 March 12 17:01 GMT (UK)  »
Good afternoon everyone,

Almost completed my family tree.... but my great uncle William Charles Race refuses to reveal if he married or when and where he died.

He was born in Limehouse Stepney 14/02/1866. His father was William Race b1820 - d 1879 at 34 Giffen St Deptford.

1871 Census shows him with his siblings Thomas and Alice at the Mile End Industrial School

1881 Census shows him with mother Hannah and bother Thomas at 10 Berthon Terrace Deptford. Also his
sister Alice she has now married and sis shown as Alice Rogerson.

1891 Census shows him with mother Hannah and bother Thomas at 21 Regent St Deptford.

1895 mother Hannah dies in the Union Infirmary address on death cert 99 Creek Road Deptford.

Thereafter, my great uncle William vanishes.

Electoral registers in 1892,3,4 & 5 show a William Race at 20 Randle Place Roan St Greenwich.

However, I cannot be sure that this is him.

No record of him marrying or his death. His occupation was usually a labourer and it is likely that he did not use his middle name of Charles.

Any help with either information of guidance would be most gratefully received.

Thank you for reading this.

God bless

Thomas Race

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Good afternoon and many thanks for your rerply. I have very little re Emily Pembroke and would like to know more on what you have. I can offer an very good photo of Thomas W Pembroke in WW1 Army uniform. As you probably know he died in Flanders in 1916. I also have his burial record and medals. He, was called Tommy by my father. Also, I have the birth and death certs for Emma Pembroke. If you like to contact me again ploease use; email (*).

Thanks again

Tom Race

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London and Middlesex / Emma Pembroke (nee Tallett)
« on: Wednesday 01 February 12 13:47 GMT (UK)  »
Photo requested. Emma was my maternal grandmother. She was born Emma Tallett in Deptford 1866. Married John Pembroke in 1885. John P died 1898. She then as Emma Pembroke became the common law wife of Thomas Race and bore him 4 children, Alice, Ethel, Harry and 1 other.
Any photos gratefully received. I do have one of her son Thomas Pembroke and Thomas Race.

Thank you for your interest.

Thomas Race

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Thanks again, your marvellous.
I have contacted the Lewisham office re burials/cremations. No luck there or in Greenwich or Bexley. Bromley seems a good bet. but requires a £39 fee to search. This is now in hand. I will let you know how I get on.
Re the deceased child on the 1911 census, I will obtain the birth and death records on the numbers that you supplied. Again, I will update you.

I did once live in the Grove Park area as a young man, but have now move to Torquay, in Devon. So it is quite a trudge to go and search the records manually. Thank god for modern internet.

Regarding the info for John Pembroke who died at sea, I have been able to find a very good photo of the Royal Mail SS Trent, the ship that he was on.

Thanks again for you help.

Good luck

Tom Race

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Thanks again for your interest and research.  I have thought that perhaps my grandfather Thomas was not free to marry. What is strange is that my father told me that he had 12 siblings, though it is only me (from a family of six children) that recalls this.  I can only trace 9 children (2 deceased) through Emma Pembroke/Race. I have thought that it is possible that my grandfather married before meeting Emma. That fits ..... but 1871 census shows him (Thomas Race) in a workhouse / 1881 shows him living with mother Hannah & William (brother) 1891 census shows him living with Hannah & William. He disappears in 1901 (there is mention of a Thomas Race in 1901 but he was from Durham). The 1911 Census shows him living with Emma Race (wife of 12 years) and children Alice / Ethel / Harry + 1 child deceased. He disappears from the records for 20 years, so I guess that he could have married (but I can find no trace of a marriage). I have obtained the birth certificate that you mention for Annie Race, but the parentage is wrong. This is becoming quite a brainteaser!!
Can you suggest how, or help with tracing my grandmother's grave/burial place? She was cited on her death certificare as Emma Pembroke, widow of John Pembroke. She died on 4 September 1943 at the County Hospital Orpington. Address on d?cert was 28 Portland Road Mottingham, SE9. If you can figure this out you will be my hero for life.
Thanks again, god bless and good night.

Tom Race (yes, I share grandfather's name)

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Yes, you're correct as Emma Tallet was born in Deptford. I mentioned Greenwich as that was the district. On the 1911 Census, it shows Thomas (+possible indistinct initial) Race age 48 Emma Race age 44 + 3 children (Alice, Ethel, Harry) & 1 deceased child (any ideas how I trace the name of the deceased child?).  The length of marriage is cited as 12 years (but Emma Pembroke in 1901 Census is shown as the head and a widow living with her 3 children. I have used every possible combination of name and initial for the pair. Have been trying to trace a marriage for the past 6 month(no success yet).

Thank you for your continued interest.

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