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Midlothian / Re: James Mossman- executed in 1573
« on: Monday 09 January 12 07:04 GMT (UK) »
I haven't seen the sasine with my own eyes...everything I find is online - Goggle books and the like.
re: John knox...there is a lot of conflicting evidence/opinions -I'll add Graham's to my list. In the end, people believed Knox lived there...which is nice for the upkeep of the house and makes for a good story since the Mosman's served Mary so devotedly and Knox hated her and her devotion to her catholic faith.
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More I found:
Their family home was confiscated by the English and allegedly given to John Knox to live in during the siege of the castle because either his own house was damaged or in the firing line during the two years of battering by the English artillery. This is where Knox lived in frail health until he died. It is possible that James’s widow, Janet, requested that the house be returned to her after Knox’s death as she was destitute as all the family monies had been used to cover the pawning of Mary’s Jewels in order to affect her release. . Because it is known as “John Knox's house” it has been well kept and restored through the ages so it still stands today as one of the oldest buildings in Edinburgh along the Royal Mile of High Street. The building was known to be renovated in the 1850’s and in the early 2000’s.*
* From John Knox and the Town Council of Edinburgh by Robert Miller pg. 137.
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We learn from a sasine of February 23rd, 1571, that Mariot Arres was dead, and that James Mosman was about to marry for the second time. So what was more natural than that he should secure a residence for his wife in what was probably then one of the best houses in Edinburgh and also to prevent her from being obliged to leave the family abode in the event of his pre-decease. He bought back the fee from his son, and immediately insert himself and his future spouse Janet King in the family residence in the Netherbow. pg 140 Mosman needed the house for himself and the sasine of February 1571 shows that he took it back from his son. Mosman, besides, was a strong supporter of the Queen, and it was not at all natural that he should let his house to Knox, even if family necessities had not stood in the way. Supporters of Knox living in the house say from August 1572 until Knox’s death in November he lived there. Some say Mosman’s house was empty as he had taken refuge with Kirkcaldy of Grange in the Castle, and he remained there until the surrender of the Castle in 1573. However, there had been a truce between the parties which was concluded on July 31st, 1572, for two months, and it was extended subsequently until the end of the year, more than a month beyond the date of Knox’s death. A listing of tenants for the house in the Edinburgh Protocols, by Alexander Guthrie, VolI., fol. 41, 8 April 1563, John Knox, ministers. Register of Deeds, Vol. 8, fol. 1l, 24 March 1564, “Johnne Knox, minister of Edinburgh.” Do. Vol. III., fol. 40, 29 April 1630. A sasine of 1571 show the property as being “presently occupied by John Knox, minister.” Knox lived there from August 1572 until his death in November, but a sasine of February 1571 shows that James Mosman needed the house for himself and he took it back from his son John.
The info on the payment for head came from Geni.com I believe.
Daughters: Janet Mosman was born in 1573 and Marion Mosman in 1577 (I wrote Mariotta in error )according to Geni.com which means she was born long after Sir James was executed. Geni.com also lists all of them as step children...which seems incorrect.
Also saw mentioned that Sir James’s teenage son (John) wrote to Mary in prison in England begging for her help and offering to serve her as a courier*. Don't know the date of that document...but would be interesting if it was just prior to the conspiracy that was discovered and had many of Mary's servants executed. (*from the 2003 Journal of the Marie Stuart Society)
Could be this was the same, or another letter: Nov 12, London, John Mosman to the Queen of Scots. Begs that she will give him a sum of money to set him up in trade for the support of himself and the other children of James Mosman, their father, who was hanged with the Laird of Greange, because he was her Grace’s Master Ciner and true subject. (from Geni.com)
re: John knox...there is a lot of conflicting evidence/opinions -I'll add Graham's to my list. In the end, people believed Knox lived there...which is nice for the upkeep of the house and makes for a good story since the Mosman's served Mary so devotedly and Knox hated her and her devotion to her catholic faith.
)More I found:
Their family home was confiscated by the English and allegedly given to John Knox to live in during the siege of the castle because either his own house was damaged or in the firing line during the two years of battering by the English artillery. This is where Knox lived in frail health until he died. It is possible that James’s widow, Janet, requested that the house be returned to her after Knox’s death as she was destitute as all the family monies had been used to cover the pawning of Mary’s Jewels in order to affect her release. . Because it is known as “John Knox's house” it has been well kept and restored through the ages so it still stands today as one of the oldest buildings in Edinburgh along the Royal Mile of High Street. The building was known to be renovated in the 1850’s and in the early 2000’s.*
* From John Knox and the Town Council of Edinburgh by Robert Miller pg. 137.
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We learn from a sasine of February 23rd, 1571, that Mariot Arres was dead, and that James Mosman was about to marry for the second time. So what was more natural than that he should secure a residence for his wife in what was probably then one of the best houses in Edinburgh and also to prevent her from being obliged to leave the family abode in the event of his pre-decease. He bought back the fee from his son, and immediately insert himself and his future spouse Janet King in the family residence in the Netherbow. pg 140 Mosman needed the house for himself and the sasine of February 1571 shows that he took it back from his son. Mosman, besides, was a strong supporter of the Queen, and it was not at all natural that he should let his house to Knox, even if family necessities had not stood in the way. Supporters of Knox living in the house say from August 1572 until Knox’s death in November he lived there. Some say Mosman’s house was empty as he had taken refuge with Kirkcaldy of Grange in the Castle, and he remained there until the surrender of the Castle in 1573. However, there had been a truce between the parties which was concluded on July 31st, 1572, for two months, and it was extended subsequently until the end of the year, more than a month beyond the date of Knox’s death. A listing of tenants for the house in the Edinburgh Protocols, by Alexander Guthrie, VolI., fol. 41, 8 April 1563, John Knox, ministers. Register of Deeds, Vol. 8, fol. 1l, 24 March 1564, “Johnne Knox, minister of Edinburgh.” Do. Vol. III., fol. 40, 29 April 1630. A sasine of 1571 show the property as being “presently occupied by John Knox, minister.” Knox lived there from August 1572 until his death in November, but a sasine of February 1571 shows that James Mosman needed the house for himself and he took it back from his son John.
The info on the payment for head came from Geni.com I believe.
Daughters: Janet Mosman was born in 1573 and Marion Mosman in 1577 (I wrote Mariotta in error )according to Geni.com which means she was born long after Sir James was executed. Geni.com also lists all of them as step children...which seems incorrect.
Also saw mentioned that Sir James’s teenage son (John) wrote to Mary in prison in England begging for her help and offering to serve her as a courier*. Don't know the date of that document...but would be interesting if it was just prior to the conspiracy that was discovered and had many of Mary's servants executed. (*from the 2003 Journal of the Marie Stuart Society)
Could be this was the same, or another letter: Nov 12, London, John Mosman to the Queen of Scots. Begs that she will give him a sum of money to set him up in trade for the support of himself and the other children of James Mosman, their father, who was hanged with the Laird of Greange, because he was her Grace’s Master Ciner and true subject. (from Geni.com)