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Hello again

Thank you so much, I think I have been researching the right family of Webbs, but have got some conflicting info which has sent me off in the wrong direction.
It does look as if my William Webb born 1852 in Ware was living with Emma's sister Sarah in 1861 and 1871.
It also looks as if in 1871 there was another nephew William J Webb born in Poplar in 1859 was also living with Sarah and Joseph Rudd.
I think this second nephew William J, was the son of Emma and Sarah's brother William Webb and his wife Mary Cakebread. This William died sometime before 1871, as it looks like Mary his wife was in Ware poorhouse on 1871 census, with children Elizabeth aged 8, George I Webb aged 6, Arthur E aged 3 and Albert W aged 2 months.

Golly all these William Webb's make it very confusing.

There is another widow, Mary Webb on the 1871 census for Poplar with son George J and nephew William born in Ware, but aged 29
I am trying to unravel all this info as feel sure they are all connected.

I think you are right and my William was the illigitimate son of Emma Webb, but I now wonder if I was wrong that the same Emma Webb married Henry Derby and if not, what happened to Emma

Wow, thank you. I hadn't come across the Ipswitch info before, but will research it further, just in case I have been going down the wrong path.......

All the details I have so far is William Webb born 1852 Ware.
He was my Great Grandfather and was married (although I have been unable to find any record of the marriage) to Alice Elizabeth Scrace in Tonbridge Kent.

In my Grandmother's birthday book, she had his birthday down as 18th April 1852. On all the census records I have for him from 1881 onwards he gives his birth as 1852 in Ware Hertfordshire. That is the only definate info I have for him.

All my research has turned up is the William born illigitimately to Emma Webb in May 1852, but I am struggling to confirm this is the right William.
If it is Emma may have been the daughter of William Webb and Mary Pearce of Great Amwell. Father William died in 1849 and Mother Mary remarried a much younger man John Jeffries in 1850.
It looks like this Emma married a Henry Derby in Dec 1852. On the 1861 census she is listed with him in Hoddesden with their children, one of which was William DERBY, born 1852, but I can find no record of a William DERBY born then, so am wondering if this is really William Webb

I can then find a William Webb born in Ware on the 1871 census living with Emma's widowed sister, Mary Webb (MMN Cakebread) in Poplar London.
By 1881 he was married(?) to Alice Scrace and living in Tonbridge, where he remained for the rest of his life.

That's helpful, one less to research.... Thank you

Thank you again for all the help and links. James Webb (Jimmie's) birth certificate states;

Father James Webb (so we believe really James Shufflebotham)
Private
South Lancashire Regiment
Motor car driver

Just found this;
1/4th Battalion Territorial Force


04.08.1914 Stationed at Warrington, Cheshire as part of the South Lancs. Brigade of the West Lancs. Division.

13.08.1914 Moved to Dunfermline and then Tunbridge Wells.

Feb 1915 Mobilised for war leaving the Division and landing at Havre.

Jimmie's Mother Lucy Mary was living with her mother Alice in Tunbridge Wells. Jimmie was born July 1915, so was conceived around October 1914. It fits!

Just need to find James Shufflebotham in that battalion of the South Lancs Reg.

Golly I could never have found any of this without all your help