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Offaly (Kings) / Re: John Molloy & family
« on: Saturday 07 January 12 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
Good dayTrappa
I mention that I had used Trove to down load digitised details of court cases Following is details of one of those cases and I am only showing the detail of the petitioner William Whittaker , who had been encouraged by Adelaide solicitors to come from America and lay claim to James Whittaker’s estate. James Whittaker had died intestate when the Admella had been wrecked in 1859.

It was detail set out in the “affidavits table explanation of the case" that revealed a number of Whittaker descendants we never knew existed  and that William W had been baptised and poor Nancy Whittaker, the mother of James, we thought had produced a natural child (bastard) whereas the table clearly tells us she was Nancy McCluskey and that she had married James Whittaker, a soldier, who died at war when son James was a young boy.      Also it says WIlliam Whittaker came to King's County at a place called Kilbegan. I assume it must have been over the border to be Kings Co, as Kilbeggan is in West meath Co
 

Taken from Court Case Wm, Whittaker v. the Curator of Intestate Estates.
South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Monday 29 November 1875 Page 3 of 8

   William Whittaker  (Trove)

LOCAL COURT OF APPEALS. Saturday November 27. 1875

His Excellency— Let the affidavits be read.

It appeared from a table put before the Court that the root of the petitioner's pedigree was in one William Whittaker, who came up to King's County, Ireland, in 1775. He lived, at a place called Kilbegan, and was believed to have been lawfully married. At any rate he had two sons— John, a weaver at Kilclair, and James, a soldier. James married one Nancy McClusky, by whom he had one son, also called James. This man came to Australia, did well, was drowned In the Admella in 1859, and left considerable property both real and personal. He, however, died intestate, and search was ultimately made for heirs. It was found that Nancy McClusky, the mother of the intestate, had married a second time one James Watson, and had had issue four children. These being but members of the half blood could only take personality, and on the strength of affidavits (the admissibility of which, as will be seen from what follows below, is now disputed) had that portion of the estate divided among them.

To find an heir of the realty recourse was had to the family of the brother of deceased's father. It was found that he had married one Abigail Smith, by whom he had eight children, the' eldest male being Thomas, who was born 1785, and died in 1812. He married Elisabeth Fuller, and bad nine children ; the eldest male living is the petitioner, Wm. Whittaker, who claims as the second cousin of the intestate to be heir-at-law. He is believed to have been born in the early part of February, 1810. At that time very imperfect and often no registers of birth were kept, but It appears that he was baptized on the 13th February. It appears that petitioner in early life emigrated to America, and has become a naturalized citizen of the United States. In the year 1864 he heard of the death of the intestate and that he could have the property by coming here. Accordingly he realized his farm and property at a considerable sacrifice. Since that time — 11 years ago — every enquiry has been made into the history of the family, and there has been no other claimant. The property is producing some £300 a year, and it has been stated in the course of argument that the Curator derives about £50 a year for his trouble as administrator.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: John Molloy & family
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Yes Trappa, I am happy to exchange info with you.

I recently came acroos details through 'Trove' a Commonwealth of Australia Project putting images of many Australian historical newspapers  on line) of Law Cases that occurred in Adelaide in 1876 and 1885 that gave detail of when the Whittakers moved to Offaly . They also  listed family details. Your Charles Molloy married to Jain Whittaker, and she had 7 other brothers and sisters.

I now know Jain's father was John Whittaker a weaver at Hilclair and married Abigail Smith. Jain's eldest brother was Thomas Whittaker b. 1785 and died 1812 and married Elizabeth Fuller. I have descended from that line.

I am amazed at you effort in trying to locate exactly where Charles Molloy had land in Offaly and of course place names quoted  by Charles  in the 1861 letter probably were local name and might no longer exist.

I am intrigued from whom you were able to obtain the copy of the letter. It was published in the 'The Whittaker Saga' ( a story of William and Maria and their 3 sons)  ISBN 0 9593675 00 which was printed back in 1983 an is probably in the National Library Canberra and Mortlock Library in Adelaide.  Cheers for now, Whatz

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: John Molloy & family
« on: Monday 02 January 12 12:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Trappa, I am a newbie and have just come across a reference to John Molloy & Family, your letter dated February 20, 2011
I hope the letter is a copy you refer to, written by Charles Molloy from Bogtown in Ireland dated September 29, 1861 to his Nephew William Whittaker who was living in Kansas USA , because the last time I saw the original in 2002 it was plastic bound located at Maitland South Australia. At the time I had taken two descendants of Charles Molloy's youngest son, Charles, (who at the time the letter was written had gone to Australia six years ago, but Charles had not heard from him for 2 years) to view the letter and hold it in their hands.

Do you have or want any info concerning the Charles Molloy family decendants in Australia...Whatz  8)

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United States of America / Re: Birth Records..Wisconsin 1849
« on: Sunday 01 January 12 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
I am sorry Barryd I should have filled you in that I have the details you show, except William Whittaker's actual birth date and his daughters Ann Maria's 1849 birthdate in Wisconsin . Of course some of those LDS records are incorrect.  William Whittaker, a protestant, was  born in Offaly, from where he left probably in his early 30's to become the coachman for the C of E Curate, Reverend George Pyke Dowling at Puckington in Somerset Co. Uk.
.........Maria was the 7th child and was unmarried when her father died Dec 16, 1843, her mother had died many years before in childbirth. The Rev GP Dowling owned property over several English Counties, so his estate had to be settled in London. Family had to come from from Van Diemens Land (now known as Tasmania an island Australian State), so the administration of his estate was not finalised until 1847 after which Maria Dowling and William Whittaker married in London on July 24, 1847 and soon after they migrated to America and took up land in Green Co, Wisconsin, where I visited 20 years ago.
........In 1859 -60 they sold up in Wisconsin and the whole family, of William and Maria with the 1 daughter and 3 sons moved to Washington, Washington Co. Kansas where they took up land. My understanding leading up to the Civil war, Irish imigrants in Illionois and Wisconsin were encouraged to moved to Kansas to build up Northerners to counter the Missouri southrners who were moving into Kansas. Also possibly you could buy 500 acres of land in Kansas for what you could sell 100 acres in Wisconsin.
..........In 1859 a wealthy 2nd cousin, a James Whittaker in South Australia died in a ship wreck and William Whittaker, a relative, was eventually tracted down in Kansas and  encouraged to come out to South Australia and claim the realestate which was generating 500 pound yearly rent , a large amount in 1860.
..........I believe, but not sure, that their daughter, Ann Maria may have died in Kansas , plus the fact that Maria had at least 2 sisters living in Australia.  I know Ann Maria  appeared on the Kansas 1860 Census, but she was not listed as being a passenger  when late in 1863 the family left New York on the Saint Magnus to sailed to Australia arriving in March 13, 1864.   So that is the story which is bit different from the LDS records.  John W

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United States of America / Re: Birth Records..Wisconsin 1849
« on: Sunday 01 January 12 04:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Barryd, May you have a wonderful healthy and blessed New Year,
I tried sending a message yesterday to thank you for your reply to my enquiry, but as a 'newbie' am still hopeless in understanding RootsChat.
Your reply raised more questions.- We only have William Whittaker's Baptism date as Februart 13, 1808 would appreciate birthdate . I have a record of Maria's birthdate April 7, 1813.

Also was the Whittaker's name shown as a 1xt or 2xt Whit(t)aker--In America they seem to use 1xt whereas in Australia they used 2xt. Their copy of Marriage Certicate shows William as a 1xt Whitaker when they were married at St Pancras (Old Church) Middlesex London July 24, 1847.

Thanyou again for your help...Whatz

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United States of America / Birth Records..Wisconsin 1849
« on: Saturday 31 December 11 06:43 GMT (UK)  »
I am a newbie and live in South Australia so how can I find out the birth date of Ann Maria WHITTAKER who I believe was born in Green Co. Wisconsinc.1849. She appears in the October 14,1850 USA Federal Census as Ann M aged 1.

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Australia / Re: Betts..South Australia
« on: Saturday 31 December 11 04:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Jenn, Dee and Mariona, He was a shipsdeserter so changed his names around when Married..Now complete 8) 

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Australia / BETTS..South Australia
« on: Saturday 31 December 11 03:22 GMT (UK)  »
I am a newbie seeking help -Cannot trace marriage details of Thomas DeVere Goodgame Betts and Margaret Roberts who supposed to have been married at  Windsor in South Australia c.1880

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