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All,

Thank you for the replies, and for taking the time to help me with my research.

Firstly, I should point out a typo in my original text ... they were married in December 1907, not 1901.

Rhys.
As you can see above, I got the marriage date wrong. The names of the witnesses on the certificate are William George Harbin and Arthur Henry Williams. Unfortunately there is nobody left alive from that generation (my grandparents) who I can ask, and also nobody from the next generation (my parents/aunts & uncles). The few remaining people who are still alive (now in their 70s/80s) are all the same generation as me. They have very little knowledge of their ancestors, other than their own parents.

DebbieDee.
I had found those three Joseph Davies', but I'm still not 100% convinced that any of them is correct. I also favour the one who was aged 15 in 1901 (living at 10 Jones Terrace).
  Once Joseph and Alice were married they set about re-populating the valleys with gay abandon; I think that they had 11 children in the following 17 years!. One child (my uncle) was 'Thomas Seth' (possibly named after two of the brothers of Joseph). But, another child of Joseph and Alice was named Winifred (my mother) - who was a sister of Joseph E Davies. Either could be true.

I can understand the reasons for not believing the ages on the marriage certificate. I think that I read somewhere that you had to be 21 to get married in those days, and it does seem suspicious that both were 21.
I also found the Alice Trenery in Cornwall, born in 1892. I am reasonably sure that this is the correct person, so she would be aged 17 when she got married. So she lied about her age, but she could have also lied about her father for the marriage cert - she said he was 'James Trenery (deceased)', but the father of Alice T born in 1892 was named Joseph. Yet more confusion!


Additional questions.

On the marriage certificate my grandmother's address is given as 12 Silver Street, Pontywaun, Risca. Can anyone find a 1901 Census entry for that address.

If 'my' Joseph DAVIES is the one from Jones Terrace in Abercarn, his father was John DAVIES born in Langoteg in Breconshire. Is there such a place? I can't find it in my road atlas or doing a google search for it.


 Thanks.

Can anybody help me find details of a death at the start of the 20th century.

I am having difficulty finding details of the death of my Great-grandfather John Thomas TANNER who was born in 1847 in Walton on Thames. I can find entries for him the Census in Surrey up to and including the 1901 Census (RG13/670), and from there I need help.

One of his children was Horace TANNER (my grandfather) who married in 1916. On the 1916 wedding certificate the Groom's Father is listed as 'John Tanner (deceased)'. Therefore, I assume that he died between 1901 and 1916.

But I can't find a suitable death record between those dates. There is a 'John Thomas Tanner' who died aged 1 in 1909 in Epsom, but I can find a matching birth entry for this person in 4th quarter 1907, so this is NOT my John Thomas Tanner.

I have checked the 'Kingston Local History' site, and although I can find various 'John TANNERs', none of them are my family.

Have I missed anything? I have tried various searches including name variations; I've looked at 1837Online, Ancestry, FreeBMD. So far I have assumed that he died somewhere in Surrey, so I tried searching for a death across the whole of the UK, and the few matches I found did not have the correct ages.

Can anyone help me find his death?  Many thanks.

This has probably ben asked before, but I couldn't find an answer anywhere on here.

I am about to order copies of certificates from the mid 1800s. Some are marriage certificates and some are birth certificates.

For the birth certificates, will they show the mother's maiden-name? When they started to record BM&Ds in 1837 did they start recording maiden-names then, or were they only added later?

On marriage certificates, will it show the maiden name of the bride, or was this only collected later?

Does anyone know ...

All,

I hope that somebody can help me find the death details for one of my ancestors.

His name was Joseph George DILBEY, born in Dalston in September 1858. He married Alice GILBERT in 1884.
Between 1886 and 1891 they had three children in the Islinton area of London.
Sometime between 1891 and 1898 the whole family moved to Kingston in Surrey, and they had another three children between 1898 and 1901 (and probably another in 1903). The 1901 Census reference is RG13/662, folio 98, page 31.

JG Dilbey was my great-grandfather, and I am trying to find out when he died. He was present at the marriage of my grand-mother in August 1916, and his occupation on the certificate says 'Soldier', but I cannot find anything beyond that. In 1916 he would have been aged 58, and I can't imagine that he would have lived to be very old!

Can anyone find the details of his death?

many thanks.

All,

Please can somebody help me locate the 1881 and 1891 Census entries for one of my ancestors. I am trying to find 'Henry GILBERT', born in 1829 in Great Staughton in Huntingdonshire, but living (I believe/assume) in Islington, London in 1881.

From an Aunt I have details of one of her ancestors - Alice Margaret Mary GILBERT, born in December 1862 in Islington. The birth cert says that her (AMMG) father was Henry GILBERT, and his occupation was 'Foreman to Potato Salesman'. Through one resource or another I discovered that Henry GILBERT married Emily FRANKLIN in late 1852 in St Neots, Huntingdonshire.

I can find census entries for 1861 (RG9/136, Folio 22, Page 9) and for 1871 (RG10/270, Folio 102, Page 47), but I cannot find anything suitable for 1881 or 1891.

In 1861 the family comprised Henry Gilbert (aged 32) and wife Emily (28), plus children John Thomas (4), George (2), and Emily (3 mths).
In 1871 the family comprised Henry Gilbert (44) and wife Emily (38), plus children John Thomas, George, Emily, Alice (, William (6), Sarah (2) and Henery (?) aged 9 mths.

It is possible that Henry GILBERT died sometime after 1871, but I can't find any record of his death.
On the other hand, I can find a 'Henry GILBERT' in the 1891 Census (RG12/154, Folio 42, Page 19) with almost the correct age, with a listed occupation as 'Potato Porter' and born in "Storton, Hunts" (note incorrect spelling, but phonetically the same as "Staughton"). In the 1891 Census his wife is given as 'Mary Gilbert' aged 56, born in St Germans, Cornwall. If that entry is correct, then where was he in 1881 and what happened to his wife Emily listed in 1861 and 1871?

Can anyone with access to CDs, or more experience in this area of research, help me. Many thanks.