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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 Census - Carter and Gear or Geer
« on: Thursday 05 March 15 19:33 GMT (UK)  »
By 1861 the children that I can find are all married, mostly after 1851.
Jane CARTER was previously married her surname was Geer or Gear or one of a number of different spellings. Apart from the 3 Gear children listed in 1841 there is also another daughter married by 1841.

The key person I want to trace is Richard my G^4 grandfather born 1834/5 he is my direct ancestor. He was depending on which census you look at born in Strood or Frindsbury. If you don't know these are neighbouring villages

I have checked without success the for Richard G4GF with:
elder Gear/Geer daughters no
Carter grandpafents

I have also search for the two elder step brothers John & Charles and the younger children I could trace in 1861 Henry & Emma. I have searched Stro
od/Frindsbury and Kent by both surnames Carter/Gear/Geer and no surname. But cannot trace them as eisther individuals or a family hence the request for help.
Thxs

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1851 Census - Carter and Gear or Geer
« on: Thursday 05 March 15 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks both for the 1841 info - I had already found that and need help with 1851.
Jane has died  where are her children and widow?
I can trace most of the family again in 1861 so they didn't die any help or advice please from finding them in 1851.
Thks in advance


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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / 1851 Census - Carter and Gear or Geer
« on: Sunday 22 February 15 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Can anybody help me?
I am searching for my family in the 1851 census I believe in either Strood,  Frindsbury or Rochester. But having spent at least a day on various website am still no further forward.
The details are Richard Carter agri labour born 1805 Rochester, wife deceased - his children Emma 1839, Richard 1834, Henry 1836 ( their may be others) plus 2 step- children surname Gear or Geer or Geere Charles (1829) and John (1827).
There is a possibility that Richard is dead - but where are the children who all get married in the 1850's in Strood/Rochester/Frindsbury.
There are at least 2 other Gear children both are married by 1851 and have not taken their step-siblings or siblings in.
Richard's parents are in a workhouse without the children either?

Has anyone got any ideas?
Thanks

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Canada / Re: Rowe in Newfoundland/Bristol
« on: Monday 30 September 13 23:45 BST (UK)  »
Alan

I don't know if that is the correct Florence - check out:-
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18400914-name-465&div=t18400914-2302#highlight

The court case is in 1840 & CBD is the ship owner.

Rgs
Sparkgirl

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Canada / Re: Rowe in Newfoundland/Bristol
« on: Saturday 14 September 13 07:45 BST (UK)  »
Alan

Charles & Darthula are my Great Great Great Grandparents. I am descended from their son Frederick.

I'm interested to know how you found the Barques - I had come across The Florence.

In terms of what I know the family I have traced the reasonably well - I have also exchanged with other people also related to them. Apart from Darthula - I still haven't got any further forward with her.

I am just about to go away for 10 ten and will post accurate details of what I know then -
from memory by 1841 they had moved to London and from that point Charles was sailing to Maderia a lot from London. I have a copy of his mariners record from Kew - which again from memory only starts in about 1850.

The family then stayed in London for the rest of their lives. Interestingly of the children one daughter married a Maderian and went to live there and there are still descendants there.

Another daughter married the son of a wealthy Dutch man - Hermanus Albertus Ten Bruggenkate - if you search Ten Bruggenkate on the web - you can pick up the family details.

Did you know Charles had an older brother James - who was also a master mariner.

Chrissie

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 16:00 GMT (UK)  »
Information and all of the parish records for Farlington can be found at:-

http://www.farlingtonparish.co.uk/history.shtml

Had a quick look and couldn't find anymore useful info though.

Rgs
Sparkgirl
 :D

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 10:59 GMT (UK)  »
There is an Elizabeth Clark(e) from Ireland age 70ish in the 1851 census in Portsea - can anybody get the family details for her?

Rgs
Sparkgirl

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 10:54 GMT (UK)  »
Continues from previous post
The potential brides (again Info from IGI) :-
1. Elizabeth Fuller m 24 FEB 1797 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire
Not an obvious Hampshire birth!

2. Elizabeth Silvester m 28 MAY 1797 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Several poss most likely Ch 31/10/1773 St Andrew’s Farlington d of John Silvester & Anne

3. Elizabeth Castle m 21 Apr 1797, Hampshire
At a guess Ch 15/12/1771 Cowes, IOW d of James Castle & Ann

4. Eliz'Th. Spraggs m 25 Sep 1805 Portsea, Southampton.
Several poss most likely Ch 18/11/1783 Portsea d of Robert Spragg & Elizabeth

5. Elizabeth Cole m 11 MAY 1807 Wymering, Hampshire.
Several poss most likely Ch 08/05/1785 Wymering d of John Cole & Elizabeth

The only other clue to who is Elizabeth is in the 1841 Census where along with here age it states not born in this county & I (Ireland), so with that in mind it excludes brides 2-5 - leaving Elizabeth Fuller.

So in answer to the query I can see why Eliz Silvester has been identified as James's wife, but there are too many inconsistencies which in my mind exclude her. Also I don't see any good justification to say that Elizabeth Fuller is the wife and mother either - so for me it is still an unanswered question!

Regards
Sparkgirl

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Clark, Sheaf, Waterman of Portsea
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
James Clarke and Elizabeth ? - When and where they married - The big question to which nobody seems to have answer!

There are eight potential marriages in the IGI and I have discounted all them for various reasons:- (Continues in next post!)
 
1. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Clungeon 19 OCT 1795 Alverstoke, Hampshire,
This James is a medical doctor and sailed on one of the voyages with Darwin.

2. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Fuller 24 FEB 1797 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire
3. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Silvester 28 MAY 1797 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
4. JAS. CLARK – Elizabeth Castle 21 Apr 1797, Hampshire
For both 2-4 from the 1841 census James and Elizabeth were born 1780 including the rounding up or down they would have been born between 1777 & 1783. As an Agricultural Labour he would be unlikely to marry until he was 25 for either of these marriages to be correct he would be marrying young age 20 (yes it would be possible), and the couple would still be having children in their 40s (again still possible).

5. JO'S. CLARK - Eliz'Th. Spraggs 25 Sep 1805 Portsea, Southampton.
6. JAMES CLARKE – Elizabeth Cole 11 MAY 1807 Wymering, Hampshire.
For both 5&6 the date would be about right/ a little early, but more likely than marriages 2-3.

7. JAMES CLARKE - Libey Ireland 23 Aug 1813 Wootton-St. Lawrence, Hampshire,
8. JAS. CLARK – Elizabeth Flower 22 Dec 1815, Hampshire groom’s age 23, bride’s age 22
The last two marriages I have excluded as possibles 7, due to the location and 8 due to young ages for both bride and groom.

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