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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 22:01 BST (UK)  »
The Mystery find
Platt's almanac, diary, and South Australian directory.(1851)  It lists  Odd Fellows  Manchester Unity
11 Lodges are listed.
Adelaide Lodge - Monday, Club House Hindley- Street.  Trove has for around that period adverts in Adelaide newspapers listing members. Thomas Young Cotter is amongst the list of members.

 also see Adelaide Times (SA : 1848 - 1858)  Sat 10 May 1851  Page 5

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Monday 29 May 23 23:15 BST (UK)  »
Hello everbody
I have now got more of an update on the Cotter ~ Young relationship.  John Thomas Young 1805~ 1851 who arrived in  Sydney on the Sovereign in 1834 traded as a Tobacconist in Lower George Street then sailed on the Nereus 1839 from Sydney to Adelaide. He died in 1851 and his last Will and Testament shows that he is Dr Thomas Young Cotter's uncle [TY Cotter's mother's youngest brother] and he made TYC his executor of his Will. Uncle? well Dr T Y Cotter was. born out of wedlock and his mother was on 17 at the time and married Richard Cotter January 1806.
TYC's younger brother  was looking for their youngest brother Richard b.1830 in an advert placed in The Argus newspaper of Melbourne Vic. Australia dated Tuesday 11th of January 1853 stated Mr Pownall P. Cotter is informed that his brother is residing at Mr Sinclair's, 167, Great Lonsdale-street, East,  this in April 1853 being named as the residence of one Peter Sinclair and later an advert in the Victoria Government Gazette 22nd of April 1856  by the Chief Secretary’s Office Melbourne stated “The undermentioned persons are requested to apply at this Office without delay to receive information of private interest to themselves or to enable the Government to reply to the enquiries of their friends, In the event of the decease of any of these parties, information is likewise requested. Signed “By His Excellency’s Consul William C. Haines”. Among the undermentioned persons was Cotter, Mr. Pownall Pellew, master in the Royal Navy, formerly of St. George’s Terrace, Camberwell, who sailed for Melbourne, by the Wandsworth, in September 1852 and was seen in Melbourne last February. Pownall had left England for Melbourne Australia some 3 years after being declared an insolvent debtor and we know his youngest brother Richard had emigrated to Melbourne Australia in 1852 and it is likely that it this brother who was residing at Sinclair’s.

In May 1853, Pownall Pellow Cotter, a ship sailing master, was appointed to organise and supervise the time signal service. Cotter had acted as the sailing master of HMS Terror during Captain James Clark Ross’s (1800-1862)  magnetic expedition for the British Admiralty to study the global magnetic field and to establish a chain of magnetic observatories in British colonies. [this is incorrect he was only master of HMS Terror 1839 to 1843 on the Antarctic expedition, Master's then were Warrant Officers who were the senior navigators and ship managers ] the ship was commanded by Capt Francis Crozier] Cotter had settled in Melbourne and was in charge of the naval depot at Williamstown. When, after several weeks, minimal progress had been made with establishing the time signal service Governor La Trobe appointed Ellery in Cotter’s place. The first public timeball drop from the flagstaff came in August 1853. Cotter resigned soon after. A few months later, however, before the time signal was fully operational Ellery was appointed to supervise the time signal and to make the necessary observations (Andropoulos, 2014),
Pownall Pellew Cotter returned to London by 1857

 

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Ireland / Re: Cotter / Blyth Family
« on: Sunday 30 April 23 21:07 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Young Cotter baptised 2nd November1805 Bantry to un-married Ellen young [age from 1851 Census Deptford England puts her aged 17] she married Richard Cotter [Purser RN born Cloyne 1776 according to muster list of HMS Cerberus]  in the Catholic Church Bantry on 7th January 1806 then again at the Kings Chapel Savoy London later that year for a marriage certificate for the RN records. Ellen Young's father was Thomas Young fish Curer Main Street Bantry, her grandfather Plummer Young who married Elizabeth Lee 1752.  The Ancestry Young's came from a Dr John Young Cornwall who started fishing circa 1590 in Bantry.

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Tuesday 16 October 18 16:34 BST (UK)  »
Apologies we have gone slightly off topic. But J.T. Young was his cousin who in 1840's resided in property leased by T.Y. Cotter in Adelaide and there's a mystery surrounding his marriage and  how he arrived in Adelaide.
Thomas Young Cotter was one of the founders of the Masonic Lodge Adelaide, was an honorary life member of the Oddfellows Society and a member of the Foresters' Society. Which should confirm the "Mystery" Find as belonging to him.

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Monday 15 October 18 16:30 BST (UK)  »
The arrival of J.T Young provded us with an enigma. His original application was for family of 4 to van Damiens Land 1831 in Irish records shows  Lavinia from Liverpoool, but his wife Catherine died before arrival Capetown. So what happened to him and 2 children between 1831 and 1834 ? Did he return to London from Capetown. One  J young arrives Van Damien Land no mention of children but this maybe a Baker shown on shiplist website.  The arrival document British Sovereign steerage  and if you can assume the mark ‘ in the childrens columns shows three children  1 boy and girl over 12 years of age and one female under 12 ? But he did not marry for the first time until 1827 Also country column says England not Ireland ?  In 1841 Adelaide shows two children one under 7 and one under 14  but over 7
wife now Margaret who ?

Are there two John Thomas Young’s  as the one married as a widower to Margaret Larrymore in Sydney 1836  there is a larrymore link over his tobacco business in George Street Sydney but he in 1838  sells the business and goes by Nereus to Adelaide and starts tobacco busniness again later  his daughters marriage gives mother as Margaret Linzy ?  Can’t find Sydney marriage of to a Linzy(Linsey)
 

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Monday 15 October 18 15:46 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Young Cotter age 76. Died 29.01.1882 buried 31.01.1882 pioneer section Carlton Parade Port Augusta Cemetery and his wife Jane (nee Nicholson) died  05.03.1876 aged 63
 
Grave image No.6229. Plain White marble ? Cross  on three tier base.

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Monday 15 October 18 09:42 BST (UK)  »
I have TYC grave and a photo off google. Use my e-mail address shown in my website swanseamariners.org.uk then I can  then exchange photographs. Etc  Have what is believed to be a oil miniture of TY cotter’s father’ and mother.  I repeat that a lot of Website info on TY Cotters biography is incorrect constructed from family myths.     I have extended family information of TY cotter’s siblings, complete career and every ship of his father.

Regards
Bryan

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 21:04 BST (UK)  »
Re T.Y. Cotter  willing to exchange pre Australian information for this family
regards
Bryan

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Australia / Re: Mystery find
« on: Sunday 14 October 18 21:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
This thread is very interesting to read.  I've just taken an interest in my family tree.    Thomas Young Cotter was my dad's great great grandfather. 
Netty

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