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Andrew and I are now in contact - I always knew that one day someone would come along with an interest in Ellen Draper Rainbow.  :)


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Ellen Draper was the older sister of my umpteen times grandmother Darnity Draper.

Lavinia, John Rainbow's first wife, died at Cranfield, I have the death certificate.
I think he claimed he was a bachelor when he married Ellen - I have the marriage cert - because I have a theory that Lavinia was actually Ellen's Aunt, or otherwise related to Ellen, and they were worried they were committing an offence by marrying because of the relationship.

We need to contact each other so I can tell you lots about the Draper family.


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Thanks again everyone - what complicated relationships these people have!

Wouldn't it be wonderful to find that there are still Fletchers in the Willesden area who know all about the family history.

I shall spend some time over the holidays taking a look at all this information.

Thanks again to all.


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Thanks Cas, you've confirmed some of my thoughts.

But it hadn't occurred to me that the Scott children could belong to Ellen from a previous relationship although I had wondered at the age difference between her and Sidney.

I had also looked for the Light/Buckland marriage but hadn't found one but if she is Cinderella Smith that gives another line to follow so thanks for that. (An earlier Kisby Draper had a relationship with Cinderella Smith/Beldom).

Will follow up more of this family. Just shows how another pair of eyes help when one can't see the wood from the trees so my thanks again.

If anyone has any further input it would be welcome.

There are also another two Fletcher families in the area that I think may be connected - at 11 Corby Road, Acton, Willesden in 1921 where the wife Selina Fletcher is a hawker born Southampton. Again we have step relationships, Smith this time.

The other is at the Fairground, Stonebridge, Willesden, again in 1921 where the family of William Fletcher a showman and Jane (Amer/Aymer/Hamer) include the wonderfully named Goldia, Geranium and Saccashia(?) as well as a son Sidney Fletcher.

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I'm going round in circles with these and would welcome other eyes looking at the family.

It started when I found a birth for a Kisbey Fletcher 4Q 1915 Willesden RD mmn Leesemore.

Now Kisby is a given name found in my Draper family and one of my Kisby's brothers married Hannah Fletcher so Kisby and Fletcher together sparked my interest.

The 1915 Kisb(e)y Fletcher appears to die 1Q 1978 Brent RD (dob 3/8/1915) and possibly marries 4Q 1955 Ealing RD Alice I Clack.

In 1921 Kisby is at 15, Steele Road, Acton, Willesden along with his mother Ellen Fletcher and brother Nathan Fletcher (1Q 1919 Willesden RD mmn Lessemore) as grandchildren in the Bryant family. We will come back to this household later.

in 1939 again at 15 Steele Road we find Sidney Fletcher, wife Ellen Fletcher, Kisby Fletcher 3 Aug 1915, Nathan Fletcher 4 Dec 1918, Charles A Fletcher 8 Mar 1924 (1Q Willesden mmn Lessemore ) along with an Arthur Fletcher b1903 and William Scott b 1901 (FindMyPast have this transcribed as 1907 but looking at original it is 1901, I have reported the transcription error).

Sidney Fletcher and Ellen Lessemore marry 1Q 1915 Willsden RD.

Sidney and Ellen are the second household enumerated at 15 Steele Road in 1939, the other being the Bryant household:

William Bryant 1866, Carolina Bryant 1873, Jane Bryant 1901, Priscilla Bryant 1911, Cinderella Bryant 1913 and Sidney Fletcher 1913.

Going back to 1921 and the Bryant household where Kisby and Nathan are shown as grandchildren we have William Bryant and wife Cora Bryant (birthplaces mistranscribed on FindMyPast) sons Nathan, William and Arthur Bryant and daughters Priscilla and Cinderella Bryant.

Sidney Fletcher is shown as SON in LAW and Ellen Fletcher his wife, mother of Kisby and Nathan, as DAUGHTER.

There are also William and Amy SCOTT shown as step grand children.

My first thought was that Cora/Carolina was a Fletcher who married William Bryant who already had children and that Sidney is her son but that doesn't explain Ellen Fletcher being William Bryant, as head of household's, daughter.

And how do the Scott step grandchildren fit into the family? Has Caroline been a Scott at some stage?

So I looked at William and Caroline Bryant in 1911 (Holly Lane Willesden) when they claim to have been married for 23 years and have had 9 children 7 still alive. They have sons Sidney and Nathan Bryant (the Sidney who marries Ellen Lessemore?) along with a Heron Fletcher, shown as brother (to whom?) and his wife Maria as visitors plus Alfred Light and Sinderella Buckland in the household.

I haven't yet managed to find the Bryant/Fletcher household in 1901 or any earlier.

So what do others think the relationships - step, in law -  in the 1921 Bryant household mean to whoever was filling in the census form?

Thanks for any thoughts on this one.

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Travelling People / Re: The family tree of Francis Doe by Stephen Doe
« on: Tuesday 25 November 25 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
And where have you got her 1932 birth year from? Is this from the age that the person registering her 2010 death gave?

I was hoping to maybe find her in 1939 to get her dob but she's not showing up when I search FindMyPast.

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Travelling People / Re: The family tree of Francis Doe by Stephen Doe
« on: Tuesday 25 November 25 17:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Nina,

is this the Elvira Doe and Peter L Jones marriage 2Q 1951 Christchurch RD?

So who is her father shown as when she marries? And his occupation and who are the witnesses - are any of them Does?

I'm not sure what you are trying to find - the names of her parents and siblings?


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Thanks all, so it looks like she remained in Bletchley and didn't remarry.

I had followed the possible Piper marriage and knew it wasn't that one.

Thanks everyone for your efforts with this.

I do like to "kill off" everyone on my tree - the five Craker girls were my grandmother's cousins.

Thanks again.


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Phyllis May Craker was one of five young daughters that Florence Ada Craker, nee Whitlock, was left to bring up when her husband Ernest was killed in France in 1918.

Phyllis' dob from 1939 shows as 25 Oct 1913.

I've found Phyllis marrying Charles W Tomkins in 1938 and they are in Windsor Street in Bletchley (now Milton Keynes) when the 1939 register is taken. They had a son Alan in 1939 (who died 2012).

I can't find any death for Phyllis but searching today I think I've found that her husband Charles may have been a WWII casualty - how awful hardly knowing her father because of war and then losing her husband to it - dying in 1941.

I'm wondering if Phyllis subsequently remarries and that's why I'm not finding her death as Phyllis Tomkins but I've so far failed to find a suitable marriage and her death.

If someone would like the challenge of finding what happens to Phyllis after September 1939 I'd be very grateful.

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