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Hi, Pauline.
My g-grandfather was Henry John Roberts, an ex-soldier of the 56th Regiment, who married Sarah Jane Milroy. I only discovered he was at one time a soldier earlier today, because I'd been confused by other men with the name Henry Roberts in Australia. I don't know when they were married. My understanding is that members of the Milroy family traveled through South Africa, America and Australia before reaching NZ, but I have no firm knowledge of Sarah's movements beyond her traveling with the family. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Roberts (the name Alexandra coming from one of the several 'Alexandra Mines' worldwide). I have no firm knowledge so far of my Henry Roberts being in Australia - though I think it's almost certain he was - but if so, his leaving Australia for NZ would fit in with your time frame and explain your difficulty in finding information on his death. I hope this information is of some help.
Hi - I did not know about Ellen being married to Daniel, but I do have Ellen's marriage certificate to William. Ellen (my great grandmother) and William had 3 children, William John born 1902, Ellen born 1903(my grandmother) and Violet born 1905. Ellen (my grandmother) had 5 children. My mother is the last surviving daughter. Without checking the certificate Ellen and William after living together, married about 3 or 4 years prior to their death. I have those certificates also. Sorry if you have received an overload of replies from me, but only because I wasn't too sure who got what message. I would love to know about her life up until the time she and William got together.
Ellen disappears from the Electoral roll for good when she leaves life with Orlando age 41. She seems to fly under the radar the second half of her life as she tended to live with men and take their names but not actually be married (since she was still technically married to Daniel)Hi - I did not know about Ellen being married to Daniel, but I do have Ellen's marriage certificate to William. Ellen (my great grandmother) and William had 3 children, William John born 1902, Ellen born 1903(my grandmother) and Violet born 1905. Ellen (my grandmother) had 5 children. My mother is the last surviving daughter. Without checking the certificate Ellen and William after living together, married about 3 or 4 years prior to their death. I have those certificates also. Sorry if you have received an overload of replies from me, but only because I wasn't too sure who got what message. I would love to know about her life up until the time she and William got together.
I already have Orlando's electoral records. Yes Orlando was much older! Thanks to everyone for their help, I really appreciate it.
Thomas is the elder of twins and Henry the youngest of twins. Very hard to distinguish the word prior to "25days" on Henry's certificate. I have looked again under light to see what the word was and it now looks like Thomas Earl 25 days and written under Ellen 2yrs. Twins 25 days apart?QuoteI had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,Pauline
Pauline may I ask who gave you this information please?
I find the information that Henry lived 21 days a bit odd.
Where did that come from?
It is usual to list previous living children on birth certificates in Victoria.
It seems to me that you have read that on Thomas's birth certificate that Ellen is 2 years old and possibly if the birth registration was a number of days after the birth of Thomas and Henry, that the elder twin would be listed as XX number of days of age because he is previous issue to the younger twin. A bit difficult when the information on certificates is not detailed including column headings ... you have the advantage of having the certs and we do the guessing. All part of the challenge
There is no death registered for a Henry ROBERTS in Victoria with parents Robert and Mary CAULFIELD therefore I think you have misinterpreted the information on the birth certificate.
So there is no actual date for the marriage. It is usual to have the date in full ie day, month and year. I doubt there was a marriage as there is definitely nothing for an Edward ROBERTS to anyone in 1862. What were Edward and Mary's ages on the birth certs? Who was the informant?
I note there was a Mary CAULFIELD in a spot of bother with her employer in 1862 in Ballarat.
Cheers
Cando
. Makes more sense that the registration was done 25 days after the birth. Edward's age 36 and Mary's age 34. The information comes from the birth registrations in the district of Ballarat Victoria. On Ellen's marriage and death certificate only her parents names are recorded. To be honest I cannot really remember whether I actually made a phone call or emailed the department in Victoria registering B.D.M. I suspect it would have been a phone call as I usually print out info or keep copies. As mentioned in previous posts Edward and Mary were very hard to track in Ballarat. Hope this helps a little bit.
I have been looking for information about Ellen Roberts for ten years as she disappears from our records age 41. She was my great great grandmother and had 12 children to my great great grandfather Orlando (Hannibal Winnie). My great grandmother told my grandmother that when she was five her mother simply disappeared (she would have been 41) and was never heard from again. Would you mind sharing information with me Pauline, about this interesting woman's life? I have been researching her for so long. Did you know about her past?hi, just checking to see that you received my previous message about Ellen and William..
I have the death certificate of Thomas Earl Roberts. On this it states Mother: Mary Roberts nee Nihall and Father: Edward Roberts..I have the Birth registrations for Thomas, brother Henry and their daughter Ellen. On these it states when and where married and listed as September 1862 in Melbourne. On Ellen's Birth certificate the marriage is listed as August 1862 in Melbourne and Edward being from Chester, not Liverpool as is stated on the twins b.c...From what I can make out Henry lived 21 days and other info there Ellen is mentioned as a 2 year old.QuoteI had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,
Pauline may I ask who gave you that information please?
Was the marriage the same date and place on all three birth registrations in Victoria?
Cheers
Cando
Blast...pressed the wrong key and haven't finished. Looks a bit messy as I hadn't finished formatting.Hi I have Ellen and William's death certificates and their marriage certificate if of interest
From other info found on the web you appear to be descended from Myrtle Lena.
From PaulineQuoteHi, Helena (Ellen) Roberts born 1863 at Ballarat. (no other date).
Mother: Mary Ann Corfield (Caulfield), Father: Edward Roberts.
Siblings: Twins Thomas Earl and Henry Roberts born 1865 at Ballarat. (no other date).
Helena died on 6th August 1928 and was buried with William Smith died 2nd January 1929 at Bromley Cemetary.
She lived in New Zealand for 50 years.
Before Helena and William died, they married in Christchurch on the 22nd January 1925 after living together for many years.
The m.c. states William became widowed in 1905 and Helena (spinster). There were 3 children, one son named William who came from William's first marriage to Emily Hawton and two daughters one named Ellen Roberts (my grandmother) and Violet. I have Ellen's (daughter) m.c. from her second marriage, stating that William Smith was her father. The info I have has been calculated from dates on the certificates and what little my own mother knows. If there is anything more specific please let me know.
William stated he was widowed in 1905 and if he is the father of Ellen and Violet, he would have been in a relationship with Ellen while his first wife was alive.
Births
1903/12083
ROBERTS Ellen Mother Ellen Father not recorded
1905
ROBERTS Violet Mother Ellen Father not recorded
So you are seeking information about Ellen between the dates of the last child's birth and her death on 16 Aug 1928.
I note that Orlando Hannival WINNIE died 14 Apr 1924 aged 77 years ie born c1847. Year of birth same as parish record of his marriage in 1877. He was 16 years older than Ellen.
Have you thought about posting a request on the New Zealand board [and linking this thread] for help with locating information about Ellen and William eg in the electoral rolls?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,299.0.html
Cheers
Cando
Hi not sure if I am doing this correctly, but I have Edward and Mary listed as the parents of Ellen Thomas and Henry and yes, Mary came from Roscommon Ireland and Edward from Liverpool in England. It has been a while since I have done any research but feel free to contact me. I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away, I can't remember why, but was told that there was a possibility they could be made available. I did not follow thru at that point..G'day again Pauline
Is Edward ROBERTS from Chester England and Mary ROBERTS nee Caulfield from Ireland ?
I see Ellen ROBERTS born 1863 Ballarat VIC
Thomas Earl ROBRTS born 1865 Ballarat VIC
Henry ROBERTS born 1865 ?
Edward and Mary married in Melbourne VIC in 1862.
Cheers
Tern
Tern did you find this information on a birth certificate and if not, where from please?
Cando
