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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Saturday 12 November 11 17:46 GMT (UK)  »
I'm going to have to get that Lostlands transcription! It would be wonderful to have a really accurate "read" of all those ancient markers.

Thank heavens for Nappy! If she didn't have such a distinctive name, we'd probably be wandering amongst the Bridgets and Marys and Catherines wondering who was who.

That's all--interesting stuff, and thanks again--Jan

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Saturday 12 November 11 15:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for all your good leads, Steph. As I said, I'm such a novice at this you probably should take things I say with a pinch of salt. On birthdates for Mary Berry Curry, I think I was reading the La Salle County materials wrong--too many Marys!

I would like to see what Richard Foy (or anybody else) has on the Charles/Anthony/Mary siblings. The birthdates range from 1794 (John) to 1828 (Mary). Though certainly not unheard of, that's 34 years of child-bearing. I would love to be sure Rich is correct that they are all siblings. Certainly relatives, otherwise why would Catherine, Bridget and Margaret all wind up in Eagle with Charles & Nappy?

I have a plot-by-plot diagram of the Lostlands cemetery, but the handwriting is so tiny I think I should follow your clues and see if I can find a better version. I never found Charles & Nappy's gravesite when I was there. I now think I see it plotted at the far northwestern corner of the cemetery, which would have been closest to the original church built in 1869, just a few years before they both died. (Makes sense.) I want to see what the dates are (if legible) on the grave marker, since the Rich Foy/Marist site lists birthdates for them as 1813/1814 and 1804 (for both) in different places. I think the earlier dates are correct: at www.findagrave.com under Penelope "Nappy" Prendergast Berry it lists 1804 for both of them. Also, a typed Berry family account I have (done in the 1970s, I think) says:

"Charles and Nappy Berry came to America in 1852. Obtained first Homestead land in Illinois in September 1860. Charles died February 12, 1874 at age 70. Nappy died Jun 18, 1876 at age 72. They had 4 children: Patrick, Mary, Dora, Anthony C. Anthony was 14 when they came to America. He was born in Claire Morris, County Mayo, Ireland. Family settled in Eagle Township, LaSalle County, Streator, Illinois."

Also says: "Anthony C. Berry (1838-May 18, 1923) Farmed--received his first land for $1 an acre in 1869. Married 1870 in Peru, IL to Ann Prendergast (1840-Sept. 23, 1922)" For Richard's chart, this history can provide names/dates for all of Anthony C's children and their descendants--but I know that's getting pretty far afield from your family search.

I know my mother or aunt had a few photos of Berry grandparents, and I think one was of Charles and Nappy. I haven't been able to persuade her to let me look for it, but will see if I turn anything up in the next months. If Nappy is the one in the photo I recall, she's a tiny apple-shaped woman with a big apron tied right up under her chest. Formidable-looking little lady!

I'll let you know if I find anything more....Jan

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Wednesday 09 November 11 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, Steph: Interesting photo of Mary Berry Curry! Her birthdates are somewhat varied, but the fact that a daughter was married in Streator in the late 1870s argues a connection, doesn't it?  I also retrieved Richard Foy's e-mail address, so should be able to contact him. And no, I have never tried to look for immigration records--I'm just getting started with all this, really.

I think I mis-spoke a bit about the historical marker: there was one, but probably is NOT one now. My mother says the marker for the Berry Centennial farm probably came down when she and her sisters sold the last of the land in the 1980s--and in fact, she's right that I don't remember noting it last time we drove down the road. I believe we applied for it just after the program began in 1972, so it may have only been "up" for about 10-15 years. I may contact the state group that grants the markers and see what becomes of them if the original "line" of owners is no longer there.

However, I can tell you where the land is, and who owned which farmhouses. Drive west on Hwy 18/N. 13th Rd. from Streator. Keep going west past the Annunciation church at corner of E. 12th, and continue to E. 11th Rd. Turn right (north) and drive up to Hwy 44/N. 14th Rd. (There is a slight left-turning curve at that intersection.) In the next quarter mile or so, you will see three farmyards. The first on your left (south side of Hwy 44) belonged to my grandfather Joseph M. Berry (1884-1948). The second on the left belonged to my great-grandfather Anthony Charles Berry (1838-1923). The third farmhouse, on the right (north) side belonged to my great-uncle Thomas Berry (1879-1947). (You can make this trip virtually via satellite maps--it shows the slight curve of the road and the three farmhouses very clearly.)

Anthony had several older sons who didn't choose to farm with him (the Berry land was originally 640 acres both north and south of Hwy 44) and he built "twin" houses for Tom and Joe as a way to persuade them to stay home and farm with him in Eagle Township. (By the way, Tom married a Gertrude Prendergast who was killed when their Model T was hit by a train coming through the cornfields in 1920; Tom survived, but was badly injured.)

That's about all I have for now. Just in passing re a couple of names you mentioned: the very nice older gent who cares for Lostlands is Ed Comisky (don't know if he's a Lucy descendant)--their family farmhouse stands basically across the highway from the Annunciation church, and the Solon family (as you probably know) still operates a funeral home in Streator.

My mom or my Aunt Irene may have older Berry photos; until now, I was on the trail of Kennedy family, but I will see if I can persuade them to look around for the Berry things. I'll let you know if I come up with something--Best, Jan

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Monday 07 November 11 20:10 GMT (UK)  »
One other note: I wanted to add that my great-aunt Lucy Kennedy married an Eagle boy named Joseph Mohan; don't have date, but it would have been about 1900, I expect. I wonder if Joseph might be related to Catherine (Berry) & husband Patrick Mohan.

That would be a Berry connection from two sides: Charles Berry's grandson Joseph M. Berry (b. 1884) married Lucy's sister Mabel Clare Kennedy (b. 1886)--and we've alway "mushed" the Kennedy and Berry lines together as one family, anyway....

I'm completely confused about the Prendergast connections--they seem to come in from several angles. My nephew recently married a lovely girl from New Orleans whose family name was Prendergast, and my mother kept saying, "I hope they're not too related!" (and she was only half-kidding!).  :)

Best wishes--Jan

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Monday 07 November 11 19:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Steph!

I went on the Foy's Marist site and printed out parts of his chart. And yes, I can definitely fill in much of the missing information about Charles Berry's descendants. The site didn't seem to have a way to contact Richard Foy, but I expect I can find him independently if I poke around a bit.

How nice to see that "your" Anthony and "my" Charles were brothers! Our part of the family were in Eagle and/or Streator/LaSalle from the 1850s on, though many of us moved to California, Florida and Texas just following WWII. There is a "Centennial Farm" marker on the Berry farm where my mother grew up (I think it dates from the late 1960s). The last of Charles and "Nappy's" grandchildren died about 1950; my mother and aunt continued to own some of the land and have it farmed for them until they sold it in the 1980s, I think.

I'm not sure you can get into Annunciation Church without special arrangement (unless you happen upon the one Mass), but it's very lovely, if you haven't seen it already. I'm afraid the bishop in Peoria is planning to knock it down in the general church massacre going on in the Streator area; but I'm 900 miles away and don't know that I can do much to prevent it!

Welcome, cousin--I'm very glad I happened to find your post!  Jan 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« on: Sunday 06 November 11 00:06 GMT (UK)  »
I'm not sure my Berry ancestors are related to yours, but they share a surname and a lovely country cemetery, so there ought to be some connection. Most of my maternal ancestors are buried in Lostlands Cemetery, Eagle Township Illinois, U.S., and they include many members of the Berry, Kennedy, and Prendergast families. My great-grandfather Anthony Charles Berry (1838-1923) is not "the" Anthony Berry you mention, however, as his children are: John, Richard, Frank, Mary, Tom, Agnes, and Joseph. (Joseph was my grandfather, 1884-1948.) Anthony's wife (mother of these seven mentioned above) was Ann(e) Prendergast (1840-1922).

I'll go backwards in time for a minute: Anthony Charles' father was Charles Berry (1804-1872) of County Mayo, I believe; he was married to Penelope ("Nappy", poor woman) Prendergast (1804-1876). They emigrated from Ireland around 1850, and were landowners in Eagle Township by 1860. They had five children: John, Anthony Charles, Mary, Patrick and Dora. I don't know if all left Ireland with them.

In the Lostlands cemetery there are gravestones for "Bridget, wife of John Prendergast, died Feb. 24, 1861"...John is probably there, but I didn't find his marker last time I was there...also "Thomas Prendergast born Jan. 13, 1839 Co. Mayo Ireland, Died May 24, 1905 LaSalle Co. Ill" Don't know if these are related to your Bridget who married a Thomas Prendergast. I do know there are graves for Mohan family at Lostlands, so your Catherine who married Patrick Mohan might have wound up here. (In fact, my Aunt Lucy Kennedy married a Joseph Mohan in Eagle Township, so there might be a family connection there, too.)

I may have a possible clue for the Bridget you are seeking: in the historical materials about the Annunciation of the B.V.M. church at Eagle, the land for the new church (dedicated in 1884, though the parish goes back to the 1830s) was given by "the two Michael Prendergasts"--and one of them might have been Bridget's husband who died in 1912.

I don't know if this is helpful or confusing. I live 800 miles away from Lostlands, and have no local family there any more. But I will keep your posting, and the next time I travel to Eagle Township will see if I can match these names with grave markers. I wouldn't be surprised to find them--I was on the trail of my own Kennedy/Berry family, and only photographed some of the stones and markers.

The first Annunciation church in Eagle stood right next to this cemetery, but was abandoned when a new church was built south along an east-west highway that had become the main route into Streator, the nearest large town. The "new" church of 1884 and the old cemetery are less than a mile apart, but it's still odd to have them separated. Some of the locals used to call this "Annunciation Cemetery" but it's almost universally known as Lostlands now. (My mother says the older church burned, but I haven't been able to find any record of this. At any rate, it has vanished, and a farmhouse and barn are on the site now, next to the cemetery.)

Best of luck in your search, Steph. This is my first posting on roots chat, so I hope this reaches you. I don't have a trip to Illinois planned at the moment, but when I do, I will look around at Lostlands for the both of us! Jan 

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