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"Many thanks.  As you say, the handwritten Will is very difficult to read even with enlargement.  Just read a message from Rootschat that I can exchange email addresses via pm, just don't put them on the public boards.  Click on the icon under the poster's details that looks like a letter."  Not sure where this is so will continue exploring..... Stephanie

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Hi Susan, Rootschat advises not to air email addresses, so better take their advice, which is a pity.  I have quite a few relevant dates myself, a lot gleaned from my uncle.   Take a look at Selim Solomon married to Sophie Nathan - both from Newcastle.  You will find him a fascinating man.  Details are on the internet as well as a background history from a man called Martin of JGSB Newsletter January 2016.   You will note that Selim's mother was an Amelia Woolf, daughter of Lemon Woolf of Penzance!So there is another connection with the family.  We live in the North of England but far up nearer Cumbria.   Very beautiful part of the country but it can be chilly.   We don't care much for London anymore, all so changed from when we lived and worked there and it was safer with not so many immigrants.  But my two granddaughters work and love it there so the young don't have the same concerns.   All the best, Stephanie

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: MICHAEL family Swansea - Jewish BDM records 1740-1880
« on: Saturday 08 September 18 08:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello Susan, many thanks and do keep in touch.  I am puzzled as to these free access to Ancestry, something I haven't seen, so no wonder you have been able to research all the deaths, births and marriages.   I hope you have a lovely weekend as well.   Autumn is just breaking after an unbelievably good summer - for once.  No doubt we shall be in for a bad winter as a punishment, but in recent years these have been pretty mild.   So good to have met you through Rootschat.  I wish the 'Mike' who claimed to be a 4th cousin and would tell me more about the family that would not be on Ancestry, but sadly never got in touch again.  With very best wishes and good look with the family tree. Stephanie

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Hello Susan;  gosh, you have done well and with such enthusiasm!  I don't think that there is an awful lot more I can do to help as you seem to be following all the leads.   My gt grandfather, Walter Amos Michael - son of Jacob Michael and Rosetta 'Rose' Hart was married three times, having been widowed on the first two occasions.   His third wife was Louisa Harriet Seppings whose gt gt uncle was Sir Robert Seppings, who from humble beginnings became Surveyor of the Royal Navy in 1832.   His only son, Edward, along with his wife and young sons was murdered during the siege at Cawnpore, India. The wives and children still alive were thrown down a well.  What a dreadful way to die.....  This is all documented.   Walter Amos was a good amateur painter and travelled a good deal, retiring to Ajaccaio, Corsica with his wife Louisa, where he died. For no given reason, he seems to have been awarded the Chevalier de l'Ordre des Saints Maurice et Lazare.  Louisa returned to England.  Walter's son by his second marriage, was my gt uncle, Walter Henry M, otherwise known as uncle Harry.   A very sweet man.   He married his cousin, Letty Maud Batchelor, whose mother's maiden name was Mary Michael.  They had no children, and after he was widowed, he invited my father's spinster sister, Phyllis to be his housekeeper.  I found her rather terrifying as she did not suffer fools gladly, and I always dreaded the invitation to have lunch with them at the end of every holiday.   He was very deaf and could never hear what I said, so Phyllis had to shout a version that wasn't always factual.   My mother at that stage was a widow - pretty and blond - and Phyllis, who was neither, feared that Uncle Harry, who liked blonds, would supplant her with my mother!  My father's brothers were both academics, and one of them, Maurice, spoke at least 5 languages and had his own literary agency.   The youngest brother, Ian, was out in Malawi and was Vice-Chancellor of the university and friend to Dr. Banda.  My father was not an academic.  He wanted to read medicine, but with two younger brothers to educate, he went out to learn how to plant tea in Ceylon at the age of 19 instead.   It was in Ceylon that he met and married my mother, whose father was also a tea planter.  So there is a bit of my family histoire.   I shall leave you be, but if you come up with anything new I would love you to share it.   What fun we are having.  With very best wishes, Stephanie

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: MICHAEL family Swansea - Jewish BDM records 1740-1880
« on: Thursday 06 September 18 20:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi Susan, so annoying;  my reply seems to have vanished just as I was doing more researches for you.   The tombstone for Lemon Hart is in the Brady Street cemetary.   Unfortunately I cannot attach the photo to this message, but I could send you it via email if you like.  I found it by looking at the R Review: Lemon Hart & SonŽ Blackpool Spiced Rum
Written By Admin June 19, 2017.    Scroll down and you will find the photos at the end.   The tombstone is inscribed with both Hebrew and English;  easily decipherable.   I did know about Lemon Hart moving to Guernsey.   A coincidence as my maternal grandmother's family were the Careys.  Even stranger, a cousin married to the then bailiff, Sir Ambrose Sherwell had a portrait painted of him by Arthur Cadwgan Michael 1880-1965.   Quite excited, I emailed Jim in Australia but he doubted the connection as he could not find any record in the family tree.  As he says, Michael is quite a common Welsh surname.   All I can find is that there is very little known about him.  I have found one of Lemon Hart Michael's paintings - an unnamed European city somewhere - and thought it very good.  What a shame you haven't any yourself!  Have you googled James Lionel Michael who moved to Australia and became a minor poet plus other interests.   He was found drowned in mysterious circumstances having made a few enemies.   No, don't know whereabouts Jacob and Rosy are buried. That's all for the time being...... exciting isn't it?  Off to bed to read a good book.....!  BW, Stephanie

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: MICHAEL family Swansea - Jewish BDM records 1740-1880
« on: Thursday 06 September 18 17:32 BST (UK)  »
Hello Susan, more research for you.   Was your gt gt grandmother who was married to Lemon Henry Michael, named Esther Mary Wakeford born abt 1867 in Southampton, Hants?  Further dates for Henry Lemon Michael that he was born in 1862 living in Burton Crescent, London.   He died on 13th July, 1928 having lived at 117, Geraldine Road, Wandsworth, Surrey.  Just found this on ancestry.co.uk in another section.   It is quite a confusing site and difficult to get the relationships right as you have to keep moving backwards and forwards.  It used to be much more simple with the family tree spread across got identification, but for some reason they changed the format. Best wishes, Stephanie

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: MICHAEL family Swansea - Jewish BDM records 1740-1880
« on: Thursday 06 September 18 12:05 BST (UK)  »
Hello Susan, yes we are related but have not worked out how close.   What fun.  So you are Canadian!  I knew very little about the Michael's family history, in fact, my mother only told me about it very briefly and sotto voce, three years after my father died when I was thirteen.  I got the impression then that it was something to be ashamed of, I regret to say.  However, thanks to my uncle's researches and the timely arrival of Jim Walduck on the scene, I have discovered what an interesting family they are!  Yes, Lemon Hart would indeed be whom your gg grandfather was named after.  What a shame he wasn't around long enough to give your grandmother his background. Have you seen the history of Lemon Hart and his rum on the internet?  His first wife, Letitia, nee Michael - daughter of David and Rachel Michael - had a tragic death which is detailed in the history.  Both Lemon Hart and his second wife are buried in the Brady Street cemetary, Whitechapel, London.   My daughter has visited it and finds it a little gem, tucked away off the busy thoroughfare.  I presume David Michael and his wife Rachel are buried in Swansea, but don't know about a tombstone.  Incidentally, I found an entry on Ancestry that Rachel's maiden name was Griffiths, so presume she was a Gentile.   The Jews were very good at assimilating unlike other persuasions. Still recommend you joining Ancestry.co.uk. as you will find a lot of answers to your queries there, such as death and marriage certificates.   As I mentioned, I used to be able to do this before Ancestry got wise and tightened the rules so that a guest cannot access these unless they pay the full subscription, which I am loathe to do.  Hope some of the above is useful.   All the best, Stephanie

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: MICHAEL family Swansea - Jewish BDM records 1740-1880
« on: Wednesday 05 September 18 09:14 BST (UK)  »
Hello again, Susan!   Good to hear from you as well.  If your gx2 grandfather was Lemon Hart Michael then his brother was Walter Amos Michael - my great grandfather!  So we are quite close.  I am - a youthful 78 year old - so you will be much younger.  It has taken sometime to work out who belongs to whom so hope you agree with my findings.   The Lemon rum story is amazing.   As I said, we have an interesting family tree.  Not sure if you have read the previous correspondence between Jim Walduck and myself on Roots, or is this private to me.  Jim has been invaluable.  I think he and I are 4th cousins.  He once came over from Australia to visit Swansea to see what else he could discover.  My first cousin, Jonathan Michael, has numerous Michael family portraits.  As Jim's guest on Ancestry I am only allowed to see the tree rather than any histories as this would involve me in paying the full subscription which I am loathe to do, but perhaps you might be interested.   Any new info from your side would be invaluable!   Best wishes, Stephanie

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Hello Susan,

You may have read my previous posts on the Swansea Michaels, along with those of Jim Walduck - a connection living in Australia who has made me his guest on Ancestry.co.uk, from where I have gleaned a lot of hereto unknown family history;  some of which is fascinating.  In answer to your query, no one seems to have a clear idea from where in Germany the Michaels' hailed from.   One theory was Hamburg where they were supposed to be bankers (money lenders probably.)  They were intending to go to the US but stopping off in Swansea decided to settle there.   My great grandfather was Michael Amos Michael, who was the son of Jacob and Rosetta 'Rose' Hart. My grandfather was Reginald Warburton Michael.   No surname given for Rachel - David Michael's wife.  Best wishes, Stephanie

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