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Family History Beginners Board / Robert McNeil Shaw born Paisley 15 Sep 1919 or 1920
« on: Wednesday 10 December 14 08:38 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for family history details for Robert McNeil Shaw born in Paisley in 1919 or 1920.  I am a member of Ancestry.com and am well familiar with tracing England and Wales roots but this is the first time I have had to look towards Scotland and am struggling to know where to search.  Can anyone help / advise, please?  Regards, Roger Evans

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Grave lookup Trealaw / Llethrddu cemetery
« on: Sunday 13 November 11 11:28 GMT (UK)  »
Whoops. I forgot to mention the grave details just in case you visit. 

Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials: burial number 19870 in plot P3. Date October 10th, 1910.

Thanks again

Roger

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Grave lookup Trealaw / Llethrddu cemetery
« on: Sunday 13 November 11 11:26 GMT (UK)  »
Evelyn,

many thanks for the feedback.  I have emailed GT as you suggested and keep my fingers crossed.  Brilliant advice - thanks again.

Roger

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Grave lookup Trealaw / Llethrddu cemetery
« on: Sunday 13 November 11 09:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the feedback.  The answer is "no" - I was unaware of such records (internment records).  Can you advise where I should go for the details?  Would it be the cemetery office?  I have the grave plot and number, thanks to a kind Rootschat member.  This may prove to provide the breakthrough I need.

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Grave lookup Trealaw / Llethrddu cemetery
« on: Thursday 10 November 11 10:33 GMT (UK)  »
Is anyone in a position to help me with a grave look up, please.  My grandfather William Evans was buried on October 10th, 1910 in Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials: burial number 19870 in plot P3.

I doubt if there is a gravestone but if there is what I am after is any reference to his date of birth or next of kin.

He was killed in a mining accident and died in Porth hospital.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in anticipation, Roger Evans

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials
« on: Monday 31 October 11 07:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately William Evan's marriage certificate only mentions his father as Evan Evans (Deceased).  According to my father, he believed that his father Evan was an orphan, but since my father was just a year old when his father died, that may not be accurate.

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 08:39 GMT (UK)  »
Bethan,

thanks again for the feedback.  Yes, I have checked obituary reports in the following papers:

The Glamorgan Free Press
The Rhondda Leader
The Porth Gazette

They all refer to the Rev J T Davies presiding at the funeral but there is no mention of mourners.  However, it is only the Porth Gazette for which I have an actual photocopy, so it is possible that the other two may mention mourners.  I will certainly follow up on your suggestion to contact Anthony at Treorchy library.  I will also try the welsh coal mine forum.  many thanks again for your help.  It's all brilliant leads from my point of view.

Regards

Roger Evans

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 08:19 GMT (UK)  »
Morgan, thanks for the response.  My grandfather's occupation on his marriage certificate was given as brickyard labourer.  He was living in Edward Street in Bridgwater at the time.  He fulfilled two occupational roles, one as a coal miner in South Wales and the other as a brickyard labourer in Somerset.  Family legend has it that he was born in Treforest and that he was an orphan - but there is no actual evidence of this.  We know that he was sort of seasonal, travelling between Glamorgan and Somerset, winter and summer. 

The witnesses on the marriage certificate were Alice and James Langdon, my grandmother's siblings. hence they fail to provide a clue to my grandfather's background.

After he married my grandmother, they moved to 35 Trebanog Road, Cymmer, Porth where my father and later his sister were born.  My grnadfather was killed by the accident at Cymmer Old Pit on Oct 3rd 1910, dying in Porth hospital, two days later.

Thanks again for the feedback - the search continues.......

Regards

Roger Evans

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Llethrddu / Trealaw cemetery burials
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 09:04 BST (UK)  »
Bethan, great feedback and many thanks for your help.  My problem in tracing my family tree is that I am unable to track down details of my grandfather's birth / parents.  His name was William Evans with no middle name.  That's how his name appears on his marriage certificate and death certificate.  It is also the name on my father's (William Henry Evans) birth certificate (17/9/1909).  This would suggest that William Evans aged 30 burial number 19870 in plot P3 is the one I'm after.  So that is great feedback for me.

His marriage certificate gives his father's name as Evan Evans.  His age at the time of his marriage (26 in Nov 1906) and his age at time of death (30 in 1910) suggest he was born in 1879/80.

My problem comes in that there are two many Williams the sons of Evan's for me to pin down his birth.  I am therefore hoping that his grave may reveal a further clue.  An alternative option could be mine company records.  I don't know if such things exist but, if they did and they could reveal my grandfather's date of birth, then it may get me on the move again with the family tree.

I attach below my notes in case these give you any clues.  Once again, many thanks for your help.

MY NOTES
William worked as both a coal miner and a brickyard labourer and travelled between the Rhondda Valley and Bridgwater.  In Bridgwater he  married Rosina Langdon, my grandmother, on 5 November 1906. 
On 17 September, 1909 their first child William Henry, my father, was born at 35 Trebanog Road, Cymmer (the same residence was later described as 35 Dranbryn Cottages, Trebanog).  The following year, their daughter Rosina was born  on 6 September 1910 when William was employed as a rider in the colliery at Llanbrisant, Pontypridd. 
On 4 October 1910, when his son was just a year old and his daughter a few weeks, William was killed in a mining accident at Cymmer Old Pit, a mine owned by Insoles Ltd.  My understanding from my father was that there were a number of coal wagons at the pit head.  A stopping mechanism had been left off, the purpose of which was to act as a brake.  The wagons began to roll down the pit at an ever increasing speed.  My father’s description also mentioned that his father was cut into three pieces.  From the coroner’s report, it would appear that he probably lost all or parts of two limbs.  He survived for two days.

Cymmer Old Pit

The Glamorgan Free Press that appeared on Friday 14 October, 1910 reported as follows:
Sad Fatality at Cymmer - We have to record the death of William Evans, Rhyw Garn, Trebanog, which took place on Wednesday of last week at the Porth Cottage Hospital, as the result of injuries which he received at the Cymmer Pit on the Monday morning previous.  Evans was employed as a rider at the above colliery, and while the journey was descending a short drift, called the six foot drift, an empty journey of trams, for some unaccountable reason got loose and ran headlong down the drift behind the other journey.  Evans, hearing it coming, sprang aside into a manhole.  So terrible was the impact between the journeys, that the empties got jammed into the manhole, so severely injuring Evans that he was removed to the hospital immediately.  An operation was performed, but the unfortunate man succumbed to his injuries.  Deceased was held in great respect by all who knew him, and the large attendance at his funeral, which took place on Monday afternoon, demonstrated the high esteem in which he was held.  With every manifestation of sorrow and profound regret the mournful cortege wended its way to the local cemetery, Llethrddu, where the interment took place.   


The Porth Gazette reported as follows:

Fatal accident at Cymmer

An accident which unfortunately proved fatal took place at the Cymmer Old Pit on Monday morning.  William Evans, a rider was behind a journey descending a short declivity, the six feet drift, when by some unaccountable reason three runaway trams came rushing behind him, crashing into the journey,  The rider upon hearing the sound behind jumped to the side where the manholes were, and when the runaway trams smashed into the journey some of then  were thrown violently upon him, inflicting terrible injuries.  He was immediately conveyed to the Porth Cottage Hospital and attended by Drs. Cochrane and Lewis, and an operation was performed on Wednesday evening last, but, the same evening he expired.  The deceased was a resident of Trebanog, a married man and leaves a wife and child (sic)  He was a very conscientious and industrious workman, and regarded very highly according to his employers.  He was a well known figure at the colliery and his sad end is deeply lamented by his fellow workmen, most of whom recognised the sterling merit and intrinsic worth which lay beneath an external of bluff and bluster.

The mining Inspector’s Report was less detailed.

William Evans
03/10/1910, 29, Rider, Cymmer, Old , Insoles Ltd, , Glamorgan, Three empty trams followed the journey on which he was riding and overtook it, causing injuries from which he died two days after. A stop block had been left open.

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