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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Monday 09 March 20 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Gary. Would love a copy of your talk.

Nancy Macdonald Jordan
Houston, TX

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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Sunday 09 February 20 18:29 GMT (UK)  »
Forforian,

Regarding the patrynomic naming pattern for Robert Stuart and Christian Stuart:
known children:

JOHN Stuart
1826–1899 d Covington, California

Peter Stuart
1827–1898 d Ontario, CAN

Helen Stuart
1833–1911 m1 Ross, m2 Cole, d Ontario, CA

Barbara Stuart
1834–1894 d Ontario, CAN [unmarried, lived with her mother, and then her sister Elspet Tocher - may have been mentally challenged - see 1861 Ontario census]

Robert Stuart
1835–1913 d Ontario, CAN

Elspet Stuart
1836–1904 m Tocher, d Ontario, CAN

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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Sunday 09 February 20 18:16 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry for the Rothiemurchus BANFFSHIRE error. I knew it was Inverness - I've been there. Also, the reference to Mortlach being south of Dufftown, I know about the history of Dufftown, I was referring to the cemetery being south of Dufftown proper, been there, too.

Good point about John Stuart death in 1837 mentioning only his sisters.

Thanks for helping me.

Nancy Macdonald Jordan
Houston, Texas


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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Sunday 09 February 20 15:56 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian -

The only person on Ancestry.com I can find who has done research on the Stuarts of Birkenburn is username scseke and he has done great homework but his style leaves a lot to be desired. He cited as a source https://archive.org/stream/houseofgordonedi02bull#page/130/mode/1up

Are you familiar with the source above?

The man I am trying to connect is Robert Stuart (1768/69-1852) who was an army pensioner who married late in life after his military travel was over. When he was 57/8, he married 28 yr old Christian Stuart of Tomintoul. They moved to Dufftown about 1836-38 and raised a family there. Robert died in Dufftown in 1852 and is buried just south at Mortlach. Banffshire. All census records have him born in Banffshire, with one census reporting Rothiemurchas, Banffshire as a birthplace. His marriage record in 1825 reports he is from Delliefure, Cromdale, Banffshire.

John Stuart of Birkenburn (1733-1822) had 4 sons with Helen Anderson - including Robert Stuart baptized at Keith on 8 Oct 1768. According to the poster on Ancestry.com, this Robert Stuart was last heard from in 1815 when he visited Birkenburn, and then he died unmarried.

Could this be the same person? The patronymic naming pattern is present. The birth year is close (all we have is census ages for the Robert Stuart in Dufftown). Both went into the Army.

Coincidental,yes. Still after doing this for so many decades, my nose is smelling something worth researching further. Do you have access to military records by any chance?

Nancy Macdonald Jordan
Houston, Texas




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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Saturday 08 February 20 03:48 GMT (UK)  »


At any rate, I think it's clear enough that the John Stuart who married Elspet Bremner and founded the Quaker Oats dynasty can't have been a Stuart of Birkenburn unless the connection was much further back.


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Agree - not likely same Stuart family.

I just wonder why Margaret Bremner Macdonald gave birth to her 4th child at Birkenburn in 1844? Her husband (James Macdonald) died at Blackhillock in 1847 according to his gravestone. Blackhillock is a place name, while Birkenburn is a farm across the road. He may have died at the farm and they wrote Blackhillock on the gravestone as a place name. Who would they have known in 1844-1847 at Birkenburn Farm that would have given them refuge?

Thanks for your help.
Nancy Macdonald Jordan



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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Friday 07 February 20 01:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Forfarian,
I pretty much have all the information you wrote - I've actually been to Scotland 4 times in the last 20 years of studying it. Went to Botriphnie kirkyard and Grange Cross Roads where Margaret Bremner Macdonald lived at Croft Gibb after her husband's death. I think I've pretty much played out that line.

I was replying to someone who posted about a Dr William Stuart who died in India in 1800 and proceeds from his estate were sent to his father John Stuart of Birkenburn.

My questions were regarding these Stuarts of Birkenburn. Could they be related to the Stuarts who emigrated to Canada and the US and founded Quaker Oats?

I've also studied the Stuarts in America for 20 years so I know about them. Dr William Stuart is new to me and I do not know if he is related to the Stuarts of Quaker Oats. It's a common name in Scotland, so perhaps not.

Anyhow thanks for your assistance. Much appreciated.


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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Thursday 06 February 20 20:35 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for posting - quite fascinating.

My ancestor James Macdonald (1799-1847) of North Uist married a local Keith girl Margaret Bremner (1806-1871)and left her a widow in 1847 with 5 children, including a son Robert Graham Macdonald born 1844 at Birkenburn according to a family bible. He was apparently named after the local secessionist minister Robert Graham. My assumption is the family were members of the Secessionist Church in Keith as none of the 5 children have birth records.

The Stuart name is prominent in my family history although I am not descended from any Stuart. Margaret Bremner's sister Elspet Bremner married John Stuart and she and her husband emigrated to Ontario, Canada before 1850. John Stuart founded Ingersoll Mills and made oatmeal. His son Robert (1851-1926) later founded Quaker Oats and was a first cousin to my great great grandfather Angus Macdonald MD (1836-1886) (see Wikipedia) through the Bremner sisters. Angus' sons, my great grandfather Robert John Macdonald and his brother George Macdonald, emigrated to the US in the 1890's to work for Quaker Oats. George Macdonald married his 2nd cousin Margaret Stuart, the daughter of Robert Stuart. My grandfather Ewen Macdonald also worked for Quaker Oats.

The known Stuart family progenitor Robert Stuart (1767-1852) was a retired Army pensioner and was born in Rothiemurchus, Inverness and died in Dufftown, Banffshire. His wife's surname was also Stuart, Christian (Stuart) Stuart died in Ingersoll, Ontario in 1874. Her birth family appear to be from near Dufftown, Banffshire, but moved to Tomintoul, Kirkmichael, Banffshire before she was born.

Stuart is as common in Scotland as Smith is in the US. I'll try to see if Dr William Stuart son of John Stuart of Birkenburn is related somehow. May be a needle in the haystack, but worth a try.

Thanks again,
Nancy Macdonald Jordan
Houston, TX






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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 19:39 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the map - I'll head back over to the cemetery on my way to Aberdeen to get a photo.  Thanks!

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Banffshire / Re: Birkenburn Farm , Keith
« on: Monday 24 June 13 21:44 BST (UK)  »
We had a wonderful time.  Met your wife who was very hospitable and Galvin (?) and he directed us to his Grannie's farm house for a nice chat.  The sun came out just as we arrived which was a good omen!  We visited several "ancestral" homes while in the Keith area, including Drumgrain the ancestral home of the John Bremner family and Upper Hillside the ruins of the family farm of his son, also John Bremner and his wife Isobel Dick.  We visited the farm house next door called Mid Hillside and made the acquaintance of the Walker's who live there now and they gave us a very nice tour and provided tea.  We also visited The Grange Memorial Hall which my GGGgrandfather Angus Macdonald MD of Edinbugh endowed and Grannie Watt remembered attending dances there.  The only thing on our list that we couldn't find was the location of the grave of James Macdonald ( Angus' brother) in Keith Cemetery.  We wandered all around in the rain, but no luck.  It is in section E # 11 and 12, but none of the lairs were labeled.  The library in Keith wasn't able to help except to eliminate the top part of the cemetery as a locale, which is well documented.  He died in 1888 on Land St at Keith.  He was retired Army, and the Registrar in Keith as well as the Inspector of the Poor.  His grave site was purchased " in perpetuity" so it should be easily found.   Anyway, I was glad to find your post during our visit.  The timing was perfect! 
Best Regards, Nancy Macdonald Jordan, Houston, TX

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