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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Saturday 19 January 13 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
 :)  Interesting!  Thanks for this.

Since the last posts, I've continued to search for my ancestors.  No luck in the 1841 census using the Bridge Street, Hackney address from which Charlotte Louisa Lewis Fridenry and John Dunbar Page HOwes married in 1843.  I trawled through page by page.

Still no luck finding John, Charlotte, or either of their fathers pre this date.  Nor any luck with the similar sounding Peter Lewis Fridenrick and his daughter Mary Ann.

I will keep trying and appreciate the suggestions I've received on here.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Thursday 05 July 12 19:42 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Viktoria.  I didn't know that.  I think I'll try to find out more about Jewish naming etc. to see if there are any other ways to pursue this.  The fact I'm having so many problems might lend weight to the idea that they are Jewish immigrants.

It's so sad that you have not been able to meet up with this other Viktoria.  I wonder if anyone has any ideas of places you could search.  Have you been on JewishGen?  I realise it will be difficult with no surname to search for, but there might be sites with message boards. Alternatively I always find myself reading that section in the Daily Mail (on Saturdays I think), where they have people writing in, trying to track down lost friends/family - it surprises me sometimes the connections they make.

I really hope you do find her.

p.s. How nice to have an unusual name (though getting it misspelt must get annoying!). My name is Madeleine and gets mangled in all sorts of ways (Madlen being the worst!!)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Tuesday 03 July 12 13:25 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this - I really appreciate you searching.  I don't think this can be the one though as this is a Charlotte K. Fr... and she appears in later census returns under this same spelling / middle initial - my Charlotte appears from 1851 onwards as the wife of John Dunbar Page Howes.

It is a mystery!

Thanks for taking the time.
Maddie :)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Monday 02 July 12 20:10 BST (UK)  »
Still no further forward with this ???

My most recent line of enquiry was to try to find John Dunbar Page Howes prior to his marriage to Charlotte Louisa Lewis Fridenry in 1843, on the offchance that he lived near to Charlotte and her father, coffee roaster John Fridenry.  Oddly though, I can't find him in the 1841 census either!  He was born around 1809 and was a painter.  His father, also John, was a gardener.

Any advice would be much appreciated as I seem to be spending hours and getting no nearer.  I did find someone on a google search who listed the surname Fridenry as a research interest, their email bounced back, so I've written a letter but I fear they may have moved.

Thank you!
Maddie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Monday 26 March 12 21:44 BST (UK)  »
Still puzzling over this.  I've spent hours on ancestry and have made no progress.  I just can't find Charlotte or her father in the 1841 census or in any early records.  Does the fact that "Lewis" was given as a name to Charlotte (as well as one of her sons) suggest that it is more likely to be from Levy than Ludwig? 
I've been thinking of paying for an hour or two of research, but the problem is knowing where to go.  I see Hackney archive expect you to be really specific and it is hard to know if the London Metropolitan archive would have anything.  The many variants of spelling make this something of a challenge.  I feel something of a failure as I work in a library and archive and help other people with family history, yet am so stuck with my own. 
If anyone has any further thoughts I'd be very grateful.  Much as I want to think they are German and Jewish, I'd rather know for sure.

Best wishes
Maddie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Saturday 28 January 12 20:23 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Swiss Gill and Anna!  Still working on this.  I have been trying lots of variant spellings and really wildcard searches.  Charlotte was definitely born in England, but is still rather elusive prior to her marriage in 1843. 

I may have found John Lewis Fridenry's death just now though - there is a John Lewis Friday's burial listed on June 22nd 1821 - I found this on the London records under the Westminster St. John the Evangelist area - approx birth 1794.  I can't be sure, but this is the biggest breakthrough in a while.  Not that it tells us where he was born or if he was Jewish.

Thanks to everyone who has commented and helped so far.
Maddie
 :)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Thursday 12 January 12 08:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks!  I'll try some searches using Louis and Ludwig and see if this helps.  At least the general consensus seems to be that they were German - that's progress.  I've tried so many variants of name and spelling in the 1841 census I am at a loss for what to do next to get any further with this.  I don't want to give up, but wonder if I am ever going to get a definitive answer.


I really appreciate all your help.
Maddie
 :)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Monday 02 January 12 12:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!
Still working away at this conundrum to no avail.  In another thread about these same ancestors I was given a reference to the street in the census (an RG number).  I've tried putting this into the 1841 census bit on ancestry to no avail (it comes up as somewhere totally different, like Nottingham, not Bridge Street Hackney).  Can anyone tell me what all the numbers correspond to in a census reference as it may just be that I'm keying in the info into the wrong boxes.

I tried to pursue the family and even traced the witnesses at John Lewis Fridenry's daughter's wedding (Samuel and Esther Walker), hoping they might have been neighbours, but no luck there.

If anyone can help further, please let me know.  I'd still like to be able to say for sure if I had Jewish ancestors.

Best wishes
Maddie :)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Were they Jewish?
« on: Tuesday 13 December 11 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. No the problem really is that it is quite early - his daughter married in 1843, but I can't find any of the family in the 1841 census - she first appears in 1851 after her marriage to John Dunbar Page Howes.  It is as if nothing exists prior to this, though as she was born in Mile End circa 1822, she and her father must have been somewhere in 1841.  There is someone on ancestry with relatives from the same sort of time with a similar name (Peter and his daughter Mary Ann )Lewis Fridewick, but they have not been able find out much either, though we suspect a connection.  I wonder if Lewis if an anglicised version of Levy, maybe John wasn't his original name either?  I've tried all kinds of spellings and wild card searches and find it odd that neither John nor Charlotte can be found in 1841. 
Thank you for your advice though - it is certainly something I'll try with a few other mystery relatives.  So if people were away, might they have eluded the census altogether?

Very best wishes
Maddie :)

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