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Inverness / Re: Donald Fraser of North Uist
« on: Tuesday 07 June 22 15:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Christine,

I've sent the charts on, but check your spam as I have an Italian address that yahoo sometimes rejects.

Regards,

Ross

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Inverness / Re: Donald Fraser of North Uist
« on: Saturday 04 June 22 12:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi Christine,

Sorry to have let this slip - it's been a busy time. Culmiln is not far from Belladrum and Phoineas. I have drawn up provisional trees of DNA matches and possible routes for the links. I have tried to attach them here, but I can also send them by e-mail if you are interested. It seems to me to be the only possibility for my matches to work, and my line to Culmiln is well documented. That said, I have plenty of other Fraser lines in the Inverness area which are not so well documented! Any one of them could prove to be the match if the evidence trail existed...

We'll keep in touch!

Ross

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Inverness / Re: Donald Fraser of North Uist
« on: Tuesday 24 May 22 20:51 BST (UK)  »
Feasgar math!

Greetings from the Outer Hebrides - but Eriskay, rather than North Uist. I am trying to solve a DNA puzzle and came across your post. I have a number of DNA matches in North Uist, all of whom seem to descend from a Fraser family there; some of them drifted southwards to Flodda in Benbecula and to South Uist. My only Fraser connection is through ancestors of my paternal grandfather in the mainland, outside of Inverness - Frasers of Culmiln and Kiltarlity area. I was wondering if you were able to trace the origins of the Donald Fraser who was a Jacobite scout and who ended up in North Uist? I am thinking he may be related to the Culmiln branch of the Frasers and that would solve the DNA puzzle. Any information you have on the early origins of Donald Fraser before he came to Uist would be really helpful! Thanks.

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: James Learmont, Covenanter
« on: Wednesday 26 March 14 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish,

I'm note sure that the entry for James Lermont is the correct one. There is a birth of a James Lermonth in Haddington parish for 1619 - more likely to be the one we are looking for given that he died in 1678. A marriage in 1630 would be too early for James' death in 1678 and for a possible birth in 1619. The only records we have about James is that he was from Haddington - not any other parish. As for the other question, Peter was buried in 1852 at Prestonkirk. He is my ancestor.

Yours, Ross.

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: James Learmont, Covenanter
« on: Wednesday 26 March 14 10:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I too am interested in that line! My ancestor, Mary Learmonth, was from Prestonkirk, East Linton - daughter of Peter Learmonth and Elizabeth Richardson. Peter was the son of Alexander Learmonth by his second wife Jean Foggo. These latter were from Haddington and Peter was born there. Alexander went on to marry again, an Elizabeth Dewar - their first child was born in Haddington and then the family moved to Spott and finally settled in Presonkirk in the early 1770s. The family lived at Markle Mains or Fortunebank farm. Peter's half-brother, Robert Learmonth (d.1860), was a well-known local farmer and auctioneer. In a local exhibition, the following was written about him: "His family is said to have been connected with Thomas Learmonth, the rhymer of Earcildone (Earlston), and James Learmonth, the convenanter who was executed in Edinburgh in 1678 for having been present at a meeting of one thousand persons for worship at Whitekirk Hill..."

I hope this helps! The Prestonkirk Learmonths were indeed from Haddington, and if James Learmonth was from there, they are likely to be connected. How exactly, I don't know! However, it is also pleasing to think there is a link with Thomas the Rhymer! If you are related to these Learmonths, I would be happy to find out more from you and about how we are connected.

Yours,

Ross.

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Devon / Re: GALE Family - Thrushelton and surrounding area
« on: Friday 02 March 12 11:36 GMT (UK)  »
A bit of a breakthrough on the Gale side!

I received a copy of Ann Gale's burial record from Plymouth's Ford Park Cemetery: She was buried on 17 June 1860, aged 65 - likely then, that she was the Ann born to Edward and Alice in Thrushelton in 1795. Moreover, it gives her last address as Morley Place, Plymouth. Her son Richard gave this as his address on his marriage certificate. On the 1841 Census, Ann appears at that address with her daughter Maria. Her occupation is given as Laundress. Her birthplace is given as "Grisseton" (perhaps "Greystone" or even "Thrushelton") while Maria's is given as Braton (sic). This confirms the identity of Ann Gale/Gill and we know for sure she was buried in a common grave in Ford Park Cemetery.

For those of you interested in Richard Gale (Sr.), I cam across the following: A Richard Gale was born in Thrushelton in 1794, the son of Henry Gale and Elizabeth Blatchford. This would mean that Ann and Richard were doubly related! Henry and Elizabeth married in Thrushelton in 1792, and Henry was the son of Roger Gale and Ruth Piper (m.1768, Thrushelton). Henry was born 1773, Thrushelton.

Interestingly, Elizabeth (Blatchford) Gale was buried in Thrushelton, but her place of death is given as Buckland Monachorum. She died in 1846, and the 1841 Census shows her living with her daughter Mary, and her husband Simon Lethbridge, in Winsbeer Cottages. The daughter's place of birth in future censuses is given as Thrushelton. This then is likely to be the Elizabeth Gale who was the mother of our Richard. Amazingly, although she died in Buckland Monachorum, she was taken back to Thrushelton for burial. Thrushelton is obviously an important place for the Gales/Blatchfords...

Ross.

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Devon / Re: Waterfields in Tavistock
« on: Monday 20 February 12 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
The list I have of children for William Waterfield and Elizabeth Martin (m.1808) is as follows:

John W. (1811-1813) East Stonehouse
Mary W. (1814) Tavistock
Elizabeth Martin W. (1816) Plymouth St. Andrews
Maria Perkin W. (1819) Plymouth St. Andrews
John Richard W. (1821) Plymouth St. Andrews
Ann W. (1823-1825) East Stonehouse
James Martin (1826/7) East Stonehouse

There are Census Returns for this family in 1851 & 1861 in Plymouth - they mention Mary, Elizabeth and John Richard. It is possible that the Elizabeth Martin Waterfield listed above (1816) was the mother of the James Martin Waterfield that was farmed out to the Martin family. The one listed above would have been much older than the James M. Waterfield born in 1842.

As for Elizabeth Martin, she would have been born c.1786 in Tavistock (from Census entries) and had a brother William (b.c.1796 in Tavistock) and possibly another brother Richard (b.c.1783 or 1791 in Tavistock). The latter is listed with his brother William's family in the Census of 1841. The existence of these three siblings may help us pin down the parents among the many Devon Martins. However, I note a link with the Wesleyan Methodist denomination, so their names may not appear in the Anglican Records. In 1841, the son of a local Methodist preacher, Evans Truscott, is also resident with the Martins in Tavistock!

We're getting there...

Ross.

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Devon / Re: GALE Family - Thrushelton and surrounding area
« on: Sunday 19 February 12 21:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I think we may have been in touch a long time ago, but not on this forum! Are you descended from the branch that went to Scotland?

I have one problem with the information - my Ann Gale (mother of Richard Gale) was still alive in the 1841 Census. In fact, she gave birth to Richard around 1826, but in Bratton Clovelly, so she couldn't have died in Plymouth that year.

Did you have documentary evidence to establish her as the daughter of Edward and Alice? All my own research has only turned up circumstantial evidence...

Yours,

Ross.

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Devon / Re: Waterfields in Tavistock
« on: Sunday 19 February 12 21:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!

Thanks for your swift responses! Some of the mystery now begins to lift... I agree that the Eliza in the 1861 Census is too young to be James' mother - I was reading into a previous posting about a young, unmarried mother giving birth in the workhouse, however, 14 is a bit young, even for those days!

However, that second posting by DOB7 sheds some light on the mystery. If William Waterfield and Elizabeth Waterfield were witnesses at William Martin's wedding to Joanna, then it makes sense that the connection should be through Elizabeth, m.s. Martin.

William Martin was definitely married to Joanna (Johanna in other censuses) The 1861 Census appears to be a transcription error as all the names and dates fit with other censuses, leaving Joanna as the only reasonable option. Nursing children were often farmed out to close relations, so James M Waterfield's presence in the Martin household would indicate a close relationship to one of his parents - in this case, Elizabeth.

If I find out more, I'll let you know!

Ross.

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