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Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Atlantic Stephenson
« on: Saturday 24 July 21 23:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi all
I am encroaching here as I'm not related to any of the families but I have an interest in Capt William Brumwell 1813-1854.
I found the details of his death and image of the headstone many years ago and was wondering if anyone had ever acquired a copy of his death record and knew his cause of death?
I have read the account of the Voyage of the Ann Dashwood, the ship which he commanded in 1853, sailing from England to Australia via Cape Town and it shows him as a drunk, acting in what could be called an  insane manner at times. I thought when I first read the account that perhaps he was mentally ill or affected by a disease such as syphilis? I am intrigued to know his cause of death and if that sheds any light on his behaviour.
If you haven't read the account, here it is. Would make a great movie. https://www.dashstory.com/EdwardJournal.pdf

My interest is due to the fact that my great great grandmother and 7 children, the eldest being my great grandfather, were on board the Ann Dashwood. They are referred to a few times in the diary being the woman and seven children who boarded the ship in Cape Town. The Captain only allowed her 1 berth for all of them (told her to sit up at night) and rations for 2 1/2 people, increased to 3 1/2 after Edward Dash remonstrated with the captain.

Mandy (I'm in South Australia)

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Australia / Re: Divorce records in SA?
« on: Monday 12 September 11 05:35 BST (UK)  »
Maybe they wanted to be covered legally, for property or financial reasons. She had children from a previous marriage, maybe he did too (i don't know the background). legal marriage smooths out  issues with  property, wills etc

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Knott, James
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 23:41 BST (UK)  »
stupid brain  :P  I was saying "scup-ham" to myself when reading this, but then it twigged "ph" makes "f". Pity they don't have a face palm symbol on the emoticons

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Catherine WILMSHURST
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 22:24 BST (UK)  »
and Cando
I followed the link back to the Bee and read through the passenger list again and could not see Ann Keely -  is she on the main group and about how far down the list?      Mary Ann Keeley is easy to spot because she is last on the list

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Catherine WILMSHURST
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 22:01 BST (UK)  »
Essie - I think the BISA (I assume that is the Biog Index) entry is very interesting with the name "Catherine " on there .. more weight to evidence that this is the Catherine we're looking for??  Wonder where the original info came from that the daughter was named Catherine considering that the BISA was put together a long time ago. Christening records?
 Patrick was never married to Annie ....and the surname issues are common with the name (imagine irish accent, poor spelling, transcription errors). Have done a lot of research on the Cremer family and come across Patrick many times,

I might add that I gathered all my info and speculation about the origins of catherine in just 1 day .... amazing what you you can do nowadays with indexes at hand and the internet!  :)
I was even more delighted last night to venture on Rootschat and find her a topic !

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Catherine WILMSHURST
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 14:47 BST (UK)  »
just to add, because it was in my thoughts in regards to  Annie's arrival .... South Australian Register 11 Oct 1858 has her name as Mary Ann Keeley   - not just Ann Keeley
 SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVED.
    South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Monday 11 October 1858 p 2 Article

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Catherine WILMSHURST
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Aren't records lovely?  i was looking at that birth too ... shame she didn't have a first name!

So old Patrick marries Rebecca .... offers to take the child from Annie when the courts ask him for money .... Annie has to find someone else to support her ... marry ..... william? But he's not happy in the marriage , maybe because of her past , and deserts her off and on.

Well it's all speculation .... bit of a soapy (I need to go to bed)
Happy hunting everyone

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Australia / Re: Divorce records in SA?
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 14:08 BST (UK)  »
I know there are some indexes for applications in State records  but I'm not sure how far they go. There were actually very few divorces. There were more petitions for divorce and they had to be on grounds of desertion or adultery and had to have witnesses, respondents etc and very few were finalised. Check the marriage certificate for SA with Albert and see if there is any notation there and also the WA one with Grenvold. I notice on the marriage index she is Grace Stevens, i wonder if she should have been Hooper if she was divorced (married in her maiden name, but showing former names).

My great aunt married in 1910 and then in 1918, without divorce - just used a fake name with her initials for the second.
My great grandfather's first wife married 2 more men, all living and not divorced (3 marriages) so my great-grandfather also remarried after that, no divorce. They all used their real names but were all i the 1800's. People didn't carry any ID.

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Catherine WILMSHURST
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 12:23 BST (UK)  »
Before coming across this site  I  had also come to the conclusion the Catherine was (a) unregistered (unless some really bad spelling) and (b) born before her parents were married. i am also wondering if even though Mary Annie Keeley and William John Wilmshurst were married, if Catherine was even his child, having been born before their marriage.

In the court when William was being sorted for desertion and maintenance 1865, Mary Annie was referred to as Annie.
Interestingly Annie Keeley was also in court in October 1862 with Patrick Creamer who was up for child support for his illegitimate daughter by Annie.
POLICE COURTS. ADELAIDE: TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21. [Before Mr. S. Beddome, P.M.]
    South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Wednesday 22 October 1862 p 2 Article

Was this daughter Catherine?
                                                    (pause for dramatic music)
I am continuing to check for a child with variations of Keeley, Creamer and Wilmshurst surname, even though it is possible she was not registered at all.

I have come across Patrick Creamer before in doing my mother's history, luckily he's not related, as yet (he has a bit of a rep being in court for other minor offences) but there was also a Catherine Creamer around the same time who was of his generation which may indicate Catherine as a  family name.

Mary Annie's background as I know .... father John Keeley
Mary Annie Keeley was born 1837/1838. She arrived in Adelaide from Liverpool on the ship Bee on 9 October 1858

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