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Thanks everyone  so much .
re Ann Adams  i  am really  not even sure Ann  Adams fits in and   that is good  as she is  not the Mother of Thomas  .

But they are all so hard to split  .
Thomas -son of Thomas   on records is just so  open ended .
I think if i can def prove Thomas Harris the Fishermans parents conclusively    that is  the big problem right now as it is so easy to attribute the wrong Thomas as his   Father ,  it is such a common problem with this family and they went to USA  early  creating   double trouble

Do you think  Reg of the Boats would hold any thing about  them and where would i  look to even  research that really .


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Thanks .

I  have  a series of     THOMAS HARRIS     in a row  of generations   in Gravesend and Surrey   that  all have  very similar years of birth  , wives names   etc and lately  i  have begun to feel concerned about a   baptism for a Thomas Harris /Elder/Fisherman  i have had in place for a long time obviously placing tree above in some doubt

The  generations   below   Thomas Harris  the Elder, Fisherman  Probate 1774  are  of no concern .
But it's  the Baptism of   Thomas- the Elder - that i am concerned about
These are the 2  Baptisms  i have  for  the Fisherman  atm .
14 Feb 1716 Gravesend Kent- Father Thomas Harris
12March Lambeth Surrey England -Son of Thomas Harris .
But i cant   split them  with enough proof about either  so was thinking about  how to do it , land  or Boat  Reg records  ?  I am  really stuck


This is the  line of them below
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Thomas Harris - The Elder , a Fisherman - his  Will  proven in 1774 in Gravesend Kent Eng
He names his wife as Ann
His Son -Thomas  a  Waterman
His daughter Mary - who  married  James Clark - he  also inherits .
Thomas    Harris the Elder also  names a number of his Fishing vessels /hoys /smacks   where different people get different moietys of the  vessels .
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HIS SON .
Thomas   Harris  b- 1747 - Waterman - Married Frances luckhurst B - 1748
His Son
Rev George Harris b-1787-1866 Married Mary Kay ) first
His Son
George William HARRIS  - Engineer - Married C Bernays










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Thanks  so much for clarifying there are no surviving  records .

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I have been trying find some Banns   for a first marriage    for   THOMAS HARRIS  and Mary Wood

30 October  1735
St Johns Horsleydown  Surrey  England


I only have the most limited info -- not ---the actual Banns with  hopefully  would give me   some  witnesses names etc .

It really just says
Thomas Harris and Mary Wood
By Banns .

Would someone mind helping me find them i  have looked and not getting anywhere   really .

 


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Kent / Re: THOMAS HARRIS & FRANCES LUCKHURST - 2 marriages identical names same month
« on: Wednesday 29 January 25 19:54 GMT (UK)  »
 
I have 2 THOMAS  HARRIS --- THAMES  WATERMEN
 I am trying to work out if these  2 Watermen are the same person or not .

The Record Set is
The Company of Watermen & Lightermen  of the River Thames  Binding records --By R,J  Cottrell

4289 Thomas   Harris  --05 /04  /1728 /  Barnes       -    Thomas   HARRIS
4295 Thomas HARRIS  -- 25/10/ 1728 /  St Olaves   -     Hugh Nightingale 

Is it possible they are the same ?
If not i suspect the top one  is Thomas and his Father --but unproven  really

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I am hopefully going to be able to load an image
It    is     just  the first para of  the WILL   i am trying to read

  Will   written in 1781 
Probate date     Dec 31 ----1788
THOMAs HARRIS 
I Thomas Harris  , Mariner   on board ......Ship  .......... Bournemouth ??
.....................



He  mentions  Frances as living in London  in 1781 when the Will was written  and in 1788  at Probate she had already re married   a   JOHN  JOHNSON

But i would like to   know the name of  the Ship he was on. 


I am thought initially   the Ship he names   is the   BOURNMOUTH   but i am not sure  i am reading the first para correctly  . So hopefully  this will load it  just may not

I have tried to load this   quite small   image  a number of times even chopped it into  a tiny file i have constant problems trying to load onto here not sure why
.
Would some one please  see if you can find it  and read the first para   i will try and load it again
No   i t just wont load im sorry

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Kent / Re: THOMAS HARRIS & FRANCES LUCKHURST - 2 marriages identical names same month
« on: Thursday 26 December 24 00:22 GMT (UK)  »
Yes correct

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Kent / Re: THOMAS HARRIS & FRANCES LUCKHURST - 2 marriages identical names same month
« on: Wednesday 25 December 24 21:15 GMT (UK)  »
About 20  yr ago   the HARRIS hunters group   
 had  Thomas Harris -WATERMAN _  born about 1747  Gravesend   died abt 1788 married to Frances Luckhursrt

His Father
 Thomas HARRIS  -The Elder - Fisherman
1705 -about 1787
His Will 1787  included daughter Mary married to james Clark  and 4  the boats named   also included Thomas HARRIS   " Waterman  "

I have been trying to   find a good bio  of the Reg George  Harris  or his Brother  that describe  the occ of their Father

Rev William HARRIS obit in Congregational  magazine  describes the names correctly   but no occupation  of their father 

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Kent / Re: THOMAS HARRIS & FRANCES LUCKHURST - 2 marriages identical names same month
« on: Wednesday 25 December 24 21:03 GMT (UK)  »
Just going to read them
I   think this Marriage   is a good start as i do recognise the surname GREEN being connected to this family  in the Mariner world   i think GREEN   was THOMAs HARRIS  the Waterman   originla   Master 

30 August 1770
Witnesses Thomas HARRIS
Joseph GREEN

Frances Luckhurst of the Parish of  Milton Thomas Harris Parish of Gravesend
but  no occupation




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