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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: ONE MORE for dating please
« on: Saturday 10 September 11 01:49 BST (UK)  »
based on his hair, necktie and collar.... I'd say between 1860-1870.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Can anybody date this photo?
« on: Saturday 10 September 11 01:34 BST (UK)  »
I agree with JDJames89 and Redroger: ca. 1895-1905 based on the dress

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Whose funeral is this?
« on: Saturday 10 September 11 01:30 BST (UK)  »
 I took the liberty of using Lynntony's edited version of the photo (which was a great help!) I have some things which might be clues for further research. I often study old pictures and the smallest details can lead to discoveries.
I marked on the pictures.

All the men at the head of the procession are well dressed and apart from one man (the one without the hat and his collar turned up) they all seem to be middle-aged men, the middle class type. The three men up front (yellow mark) as well as the two walking in front of them are wearing top hats, they are of distinctly higher stature, could be leading persons in society. if I look at the style of their ties I'd say 1920's into the 1930's (older men didn't follow fashion as quick as the rest)

Behind the men follows a group which seems to be of smaller posture. I marked some legs red because at first I thought they might be boots. Looking more closely, however, I think they are either caps or black stockings like boys would wear in that era; which could explain the smaller posture.

I am not all that certain that the cars in the background (green mark) are part of the procession. If they are - I count at least 8 of them. And cars in a procession always have a major meaning. They don't appear to be hearses, however. Before WWII these were more often horse drawn carriages.
It's strange however that the concentration of the public standing along the route also stops around there. Is this the beginning of the procession route or, perhaps, the last bit? Could the cars (lot of cars for that era) perhaps be parked there and is this the spot where the procession by foot continued?

Such a pity we can't see what it is what these men are following, something goes there. If this is indeed a funeral then it would be the coffin(s?) they follow as the living always follows the dead in a funerary procession (ceremonial military being the exception)
Thus far it's all 'if's', but if this is a funeral procession and if these cars are a part of it, then seated in them are most likely women. Who often didn't walk - it's not something written in stone. As one of my own great-grandmothers reports in her diary that she walked a mile at the funeral of her mother in law and nearly tripped over her veil.

Based on the various views I got on hair, the cloche hats and other apparel I would again date this between the 1920's and early 1930's.

This is a very interesting puzzle. I'm very curious what it is now.
Please do let us know if you happen to find out outside the forum.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Dating?
« on: Friday 02 September 11 00:44 BST (UK)  »
Based on the hairstyle and the dress of your greatgrandmother I'd agree fully with 1930's

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Europe / Re: Dutch ship named after a place ?
« on: Thursday 01 September 11 00:22 BST (UK)  »
There is no possible way you can find logic in translating Hoogcarspel to English, as you can't with most given names.

About Hoogcarspel: The village still exists as 'Hoogkarspel' and the name means that it is a village with a church (in old Dutch: kerspel) which lies on a higher spot in the landscape. Due to the floods many villages (or in medieval times: strongholds) were built on a so called 'terp' which is nothing more than an artificial dwelling hill to keep the feet dry. Hoogkarspel was built on a high point of a natural 'sandback', however.

Schoonkop, if you badly need a literal translation the best choice is 'Fair Head'
In old Dutch (or modern day Flemish) 'schoon' means nice, beautiful or fair, if you please. I do not know the origin of why they named the ship Schoonkop. But a 'kop' or 'schuimkop' is also a word we use for whitecaps, like when a wave is blown by the wind so its crest is broken and it appears white on top; that's a 'schuimkop'.

So far for the Dutch class :)
Hope it was of any use.




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Europe / Re: Translation of French birth certificates
« on: Thursday 01 September 11 00:06 BST (UK)  »
Hey Deb,

Send the text in a pm to me, and I'll have a look at them.
If transcription is not possible, I'll hand you my e-mail to send a scan.

Regards, JM

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Family History Beginners Board / Introduction
« on: Thursday 25 August 11 17:23 BST (UK)  »
Good day to all, it has been a while (years even, I think) since I looked at Rootschat. Over the last years I have focused on historical research in Holland and forgot a bit on my own private research. Due to some family things and a sort of plan of writing I decided to look into the many myths and legends told to me in my childhood. I'm amazed that most of it seems to be true, but more shocked by the facts that were kept silent for unknown but also the quite obvious reasons.

My ancestry is a bizarre one to some (and to myself at times). My maternal lines are a mess due to an unknown great-grandfather (long story), the heritage is Dutch/French.  My paternal lines are all over the place with a Dutch/English grandmother and a Austrian/German grandfather who because of his Hungarian-Italian grandmother, Russian greatgrandmother and French great-greatgrandmother has ancestors from all over Europe, except for Finland. We used to have Ireland on the exception list as well, but recently I shot that myth to pieces on discovering an Irish girl in my Italian lines.

Thusfar I have found confirmation to the alleged historical figures but also stumbled upon a 16th century prolific serialkiller, a Mongolian tribeleader ('kahn'), people who converted religion every other week for political reasons and a couple of popes who weren't all that chuffed on the deal of celibacy. I swear nobody told me g-(...)-g-granddad was a pope at some point... Oh and there is an Irish pirate queen.

I'm here to learn more about my English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish heritage and fill the gaps. I'll admit it might not be all blue collar, but that doesn't mean I am not interested in those lines which don't carry a lot of information.
The advantage may be that I can perhaps help others here if their ancestors come from the continent (especially in late-medieval times they travelled). I'm also willing to help out when research ends up in Holland

Main ancestral lines in relation to UK:

Peel - Peele Fold, Lancashire
Douglas / Hamilton - Scotland (last Duke was the 4th, 17th century)
Hallowell - Boston, Massachusetts
Boylston - Brookline/Boston, Massachusetts
Inglefield - Greenwich(?), Kent
Slade - Thorpe Farm, Preston Upthorpe(?) (the ship wrights Slade)

O'Mahoney / Mahoni - Kilkerry, Ireland, later Spain
Clifford - Chudleigh, Devon
Levingston - Kinnaird(?), Scotland
Brudenell - Dublin(?), Ireland

Just drop me a message if you might have relations and lets see if we can help eachother; or, of course, if you need help.
I'm very much looking forward to friendly and productive contacts on this forum.

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