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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Saturday 27 August 05 02:49 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks David ... you have done an incredible amount of research to help me sort my way through the Franklin maze.  As you say, we may never have the information to categorically prove that Thomas who married Alice Cousins (Healy) is the same Thomas who married Phillis Underlin at an earlier date but so much circumstantial evidence certainly does point that way.
Regarding your question about the other individuals named on the 1915 letter - everyone mentioned there checks out completely.  I have all of the data on each and everyone that Alexander listed.  I think we can view Alex as a creditable source for information.

An interesting aside re Phillis Underlin - my neighbour who is an extremely experienced researcher went online and found a huge file on the Underlin line.  It dates back to the mid 1600s and Phillis is shown to have married Thomas Franklin at approximately the same time as we thought ... give or take a year.  I wish it was just that easy to track down my direct blood lines but - hey! - the thrill of the hunt and all that goes with it.

Again, David ... many, many, many thanks.  Thanks also to Cathy and Jan for their input as well.

Best regards,
Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Friday 26 August 05 06:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi All,
Three cheers for the bigamy idea!!!   ;D  ;D  ;D
I need something to spice up my family tree!

Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Thursday 25 August 05 08:09 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your input David.  I really appreciate your help.
Re the Pimlico addresses ...
Thomas was living at 6 Robert Street.
Alice Cousins (Healy) was living at 21 Caledonia Street.
They probably weren't there very long because I have a copy of their son Alexander's birth certificate and he was born November 5, 1862 at Fort Place, Sandown, Isle of Wight.

I feel like I am making a little headway.   :-\
Karen

PS - I just this minute got your second note.  Some great food for thought there, David!  I could scan the notarized letter and send it to you so that you could see it for yourself but first you will have to tell me if I can send attachments through this site.


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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Wednesday 24 August 05 22:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi David, Cathy and Janan,
I got a copy of Thomas Franklin and Alice Cousins (Healy) marriage certificate today so I thought I would update you with what I have learned from it.  They married on January 20, 1861 at St. Mary's Chapel in Westminster, Middlesex.  Both of their addresses at the time of the wedding were in Pimlico.  Thomas's occupation was listed as a Labourer and she was shown to be a widow.  According to the certificate he was 30 years old at the time and she was 32 so I guess that would make their birth years 1831 and 1829 respectively.  Thomas's father's name was John Franklin (deceased) and his occupation was listed as a Labourer.  Her father was also named John also deceased but while alive he made his living as a Cattle Dealer.  Since I know that she was born in Limerick, Ireland would it make sense to suggest that perhaps she may have come to England with her father on a business trip?  I don't know how much cross border business was happening at the time nor if it was feasible to move cattle from one country to another. 

I did a quick census check for Franklins in Bedfordshire in 1851 with a head of household named John with a son named Thomas and found one possibility that looks plausible.  A large Franklin farm family from Houghton Conquest shows a 20 year old Thomas with a slightly older brother named John, no father on site but many sibblings and a mother named Elizabeth.  Possibly the older son named John might have been named after the father who in this census is obviously deceased.  In the back of my mind Stotfold keeps rolling around because that is the name that is on the notarized letter written by my great grandfather Alex Franklin on August 16, 1915.

Any and all thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

My best to you all,
Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Wednesday 17 August 05 21:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi There,
Thanks for your note.  I really appreciate any and all of the help I can get.  Hopefully the marriage certificate for Thomas and Alice that I ordered will sort out who's who and what's what.  The birth certificate that I ordered for their son Alexander Franklin who was born on the Isle of Wight in 1862 tipped me off to the fact that George Thomas was using just the name Thomas and that Alice Healy had been married to an unknown man with the last name of Cousins prior to marrying Thomas Franklin.
Best regards,
Karen 

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Wednesday 17 August 05 02:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply re George Thomas, George or Thomas Franklin.
I don't think he was a soldier although I can't definitively say he wasn't.  I believe he met Alice Cousins (nee Healy) somewhere in England.  She was born Alice Healy in Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland but when he married her at Westminster in March 1861 she was registered as Alice Cousins.  I assume this meant she had married a man with Cousins as his last name.  I just recently found this out and have ordered a copy of their marriage certificate which I shall receive in a week to 10 days. Hopefully that will shed more light on this tricky duo ... a man with 3 possible first names and a woman with 3 possible surnames. :)

I have just checked the 2 sites you suggested.  The Wallis site I have been to before but the other one is a new one for me and I will certainly search there.

Thank you again,
Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Tuesday 16 August 05 07:28 BST (UK)  »
David, you must be reading my  mind!  I am going to order that marriage certificate online right now and I should have it in a week to 10 days.  I just found the marriage information 2 days ago after searching for a year.

I don't know why Alice used her maiden name on the 1881 Canadian census unless it has something specific to do with marriage policies and practices in Quebec.  I do know that even today there is something different that happens in Quebec regarding name changes and marriage.  I am going to check that out too as soon as I can get in touch with a French Canadian friend of mine.  What I originally thought was that Geo. Thomas and Alice hadn't gotten married at all and just lived together - but now that I have found their marriage information I can let that thought go.

Your interest and assistance are very appreciated, David.

Best,
Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / Re: George Thomas Franklin
« on: Tuesday 16 August 05 03:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your note, David ... and yes, the Alexander Franklin you found in Quebec, Canada was the same Alexander Franklin who was born on the Isle of Wight in 1862.  The 3 of them came over to Canada together in 1880 and all 3 are present and accounted for in the Canadian 1881 census.  You are right too in saying that Thomas was a Baptist yet his wife was an Irish Catholic so I don't how that all plays itself out in terms of Baptism.  I don't imagine that it does.

I have already checked the 1851 and 1861 England censuses and the only individual who is present on both is a Thomas Franklin (dob about 1830) who was born into a large farm family of 7 sons and 3 daughters from Houghton Conquest.  I do not know where that is in relation to Stotfold though and I don't have any proof that this Thomas is the correct one. 

There is also another possibility, a George Thomas Franklin, born in 1825 in Leighton Buzzard.
The UK Census of 1851 lists George as an Assistant Vict. and Maltster 1825 Leighton Buzzard@BDF.
Dwelling location - Page 11, Number 62.
Address - North East of Leck Street.
This George Thomas Franklin worked for his father Henry.
Henry was a maltster and owned the The George (later known as The George and Dragon) pub on Leek (aka Leck and Lake) St. in Leighton Buzzard.  He owned and operated the pub from 1830 - 1861. The pub was demolished in 1862 to make way for the Corn Exchange building. 
The name is right but the year of birth of this George Thomas is about 4 - 5 years earlier that the date stated on my grandfather's notarized letter that I have.

Cheers,
Karen

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Bedfordshire Completed Look ups / George Thomas Franklin
« on: Monday 15 August 05 22:51 BST (UK)  »
If some kind soul is willing I need a lookup please.  If anyone has access to the 1841 census could you please look for any information re George Thomas Franklin, George Franklin or Thomas Franklin? I am having quite a time trying to locate him.  I have a notarized letter from my grandfather Stanley Franklin stating that his father George Thomas Franklin was born in 1829 in Stotfold, Bedfordshire.  This same letter also states that George married Alice Healy from Ireland. Fortuneately, I was able to locate the birth certificate of their only son Alexander who was born on the Isle of Wight in 1862 and on this it states his father's name as being Thomas Franklin ... not George.
This same birth certificate lists his mother as being Alice (late Cousins formerly) Healy so her marriage to Thomas was her second one.   Using the names Thomas Franklin and Alice Cousins I was able to get a marriage date for them ... March 1861 at Westminster in London.  While it is slowly coming together I am still missing the pieces that connect him to Bedfordshire.  I am hoping that an 1841 census check might help me out.
Regards and thank you,
Karen on Vancouver Island
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