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Down / Re: PEW SHANKS HASTIE
« on: Monday 08 July 13 17:40 BST (UK) »
There are BOLTONS in County Antrim also so it is possible they came together there first before making a move to County Down?
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Down / Re: PEW SHANKS HASTIE
« on: Monday 08 July 13 17:36 BST (UK) »
Yes I understand your hesitancy as I too have felt the same. It is possible they had a son before Robert Pew who either stayed in Ireland or died and that Robert was indeed named after Elizabeth's father, and then their next son Thomas was named after his father. That is how the Irish naming pattern loosely followed apparently. I do know that name spellings were commonly interchangeable and Thomas Pew (who married Helen Paterson) had the spelling PUE on his marriage certificate in Scotland. I have been looking for SHANKS and HASTIE and can find some in both County Down and County Antrim (and there are PUES of County Antrim of the same time period including Elizabeths) but again nothing that screams out our ancestors for sure. I keep wondering if Thomas Pew's (married to Elizabeth Shanks) mother was called Isabella Smith. Of course they could be naming daughters after aunts too. I hope to either find out more in Ireland or have some wonderful person come along and fill in the gaps for us! 
There is an Isabella Smith of County Down who died aged 67 years in 1842 so who knows. I'm not sure if they used their maiden names or married names in Ireland.
There is an Isabella Smith of County Down who died aged 67 years in 1842 so who knows. I'm not sure if they used their maiden names or married names in Ireland.
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« on: Sunday 07 July 13 16:42 BST (UK) »
I have received an email repy from Rosalind Davies which I shall put here. Very helpful.
Hi Lorna,
I have several Pews in the Surnames section of my website and all are from Kilkeel- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/P/PrPy.htm#pu
As Pugh was a Welsh name and Kilkeel is a fishing area, I suggest that your original ancestor came across the water in a fishing boat looking for better opportunities.
If you look on my Kilkeel church page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KilkeelAll.htm you'll see that Kilhorne records Baptisms from 1842, marriages from 1769 & burials from 1857. I'm not sure where they are kept but probably in Public Records, Belfast- www.proni.gov.uk
Civil registration started in 1864 so you'll need church records to find the family. Try https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084 & the free indexes on http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
http://www.emeraldancestors.com
I checked the published gravestones;
in Kilhorne Church of Ireland graveyard;
Pue /Rough granite stone in a low railed enclosure/. Erected in memory of William Pue who died 17 Jan 1862 aged 48 years. Margaret Pue died 24 Mar 1912 aged 91. Their son Hugh Pue died 26 Aug 1926 aged 67. Margaret, wife of Hugh Pue, died 15 Apr 1952 aged 83.
Pue /Rough granite stone, re-cut/. Erected in loving memory of Elizabeth Pue who died 16 Jan 1864 aged 66 years. Also her husband Hugh Pue who died 26 Nov 1872 aged 80 years. And their son William died 16 Oct 1886 aged 76 years. Also their grandson William Pue died 26 Dec 1898 aged 33 years. And his father Hugh Pue died 16 Nov 1899 aged 77 years. William Pue, born 28 Nov 1893 , died 31 Jul 1936. Margaret Pue, born 04 Dec 1882 , died 20 Mar 1943. "Blessed are the dead which died in the Lord."
in Kilkeel old graveyard;
Pue /Low stone of c. 1930 /. Pue.
Couldn't find you're other surnames.
I checked the land records, Index to Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1838 (head of house only) and have listed all Pews in Kilkeel. None of your pother surnames in Kilkeel area.
Pues, Alexander County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, George County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Jr. County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Sr. County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Nancy County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
You might like to check the earlier land records, Freeholders on www.proni.gov.uk Also check their Will Calendars.
Best wishes,
Ros
Hi Lorna,
I have several Pews in the Surnames section of my website and all are from Kilkeel- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/P/PrPy.htm#pu
As Pugh was a Welsh name and Kilkeel is a fishing area, I suggest that your original ancestor came across the water in a fishing boat looking for better opportunities.
If you look on my Kilkeel church page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KilkeelAll.htm you'll see that Kilhorne records Baptisms from 1842, marriages from 1769 & burials from 1857. I'm not sure where they are kept but probably in Public Records, Belfast- www.proni.gov.uk
Civil registration started in 1864 so you'll need church records to find the family. Try https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084 & the free indexes on http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
http://www.emeraldancestors.com
I checked the published gravestones;
in Kilhorne Church of Ireland graveyard;
Pue /Rough granite stone in a low railed enclosure/. Erected in memory of William Pue who died 17 Jan 1862 aged 48 years. Margaret Pue died 24 Mar 1912 aged 91. Their son Hugh Pue died 26 Aug 1926 aged 67. Margaret, wife of Hugh Pue, died 15 Apr 1952 aged 83.
Pue /Rough granite stone, re-cut/. Erected in loving memory of Elizabeth Pue who died 16 Jan 1864 aged 66 years. Also her husband Hugh Pue who died 26 Nov 1872 aged 80 years. And their son William died 16 Oct 1886 aged 76 years. Also their grandson William Pue died 26 Dec 1898 aged 33 years. And his father Hugh Pue died 16 Nov 1899 aged 77 years. William Pue, born 28 Nov 1893 , died 31 Jul 1936. Margaret Pue, born 04 Dec 1882 , died 20 Mar 1943. "Blessed are the dead which died in the Lord."
in Kilkeel old graveyard;
Pue /Low stone of c. 1930 /. Pue.
Couldn't find you're other surnames.
I checked the land records, Index to Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1838 (head of house only) and have listed all Pews in Kilkeel. None of your pother surnames in Kilkeel area.
Pues, Alexander County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, George County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Jr. County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Sr. County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
Pues, Nancy County : Down
Parish : Kilkeel
Townland : Mullertown
Year : 1830
You might like to check the earlier land records, Freeholders on www.proni.gov.uk Also check their Will Calendars.
Best wishes,
Ros
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« on: Wednesday 26 June 13 12:59 BST (UK) »
That is really helpful, thank you!! It's good to see that there were Pues in the Mullartown area before my line emigrated (around 1840) and also that some were there afterwards too according to Griffith Valuation Records albeit spelled PUGH. Because that is the one place that keeps coming up for PEWS/PUGHS/PUES in County Down for that time I really do wonder if they are my ancestors - it seems quite likely.
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« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 19:48 BST (UK) »The only Irish church records that were destroyed in Dublin in the 1920s were those from Established (Church of Ireland) churches that had sent their records there for safekeeping. However, many churches (of all denominations) do not have surviving pre-1850 records.
See DOWN RESOURCES section on Church Records to get an idea of what is available.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498485.0.html
Thank you - I shall check that link out. I've written to PRONI as of today also to advise me before my trip.
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« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 13:55 BST (UK) »
I have located Thomas Pew and Helen Paterson's 1855 marriage certificate also on Scotland's People just now, so thank you. What a stroke of luck that it mentions the county to give us a little more to work from! I had always wondered how my dad's cousin knew it was County Down in particular (and he is no longer available to ask) so now I know. I had got as far as noting down all of Robert Pew's siblings (including this Thomas) from Census records thereby giving me a rough estimate of their DOBs but not much else. I see that the spelling is 'Pue' on this marriage certificate which lends weight to the theory that the family name may also have been changed from 'Pugh' on arrival in Scotland c. 1840. Makes sense when you consider they were not literate themselves. Thanks again for your help!
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« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 13:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply. Yes that is true about the statutory records but I was still in hope of finding something in the parish records nonetheless! Well yes I am of the same mind in the hope that the Irish records exist and are just not online yet but I have found more records today including ones specific to County Down and Kilkeel Parish and so far no Pews/Pughs/Pues. But I won't give up until I am over there anyhow!
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« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 12:33 BST (UK) »
How did you find out the exact date of birth in Ireland for Robert Pew's brother Thomas Katrina? The Irish stuff baffles me. Spent so long trying to find records 
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« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 12:21 BST (UK) »
I've got 2 days only in Belfast as part of our trip but I am planning to visit the PRONI. I wonder too if it would be worth visiting some of the County Down parishes such as Kilkeel? There are some 'Pugh' records mentioned online pertaining to Annalong Presbyterian Church. I have tried searching Shanks, Hastie, Pew and Bolton online but do not reap results that mean I can say any are ours for sure. I find some with those surnames who seem to hail from County Down, and of course couples could have met from different parishes, but I have nothing concrete. The details are so little. I cannot find a death certificate anywhere for Thomas Pew born c. 1796 although I did for his widow Elizabeth Shanks. I wonder if he moved back to Ireland or on to somewhere else? I checked Free BMB but no joy there either. If you have anything at all you would like me to try and find out while in Ireland or to ask at PRONI then please let me know. How do you fellow researchers know they came from the County Down area? I was told this by another relative tracing our history at one time but the only information I can personally find says simply 'Ireland'.
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