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Lincolnshire / Re: Sheringham Maritime & Fishing History
« on: Sunday 07 August 11 18:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi.
    Thank you for the the very interesting information about the SUNMAN family from Sheringham. While they were in Sheringham the SUNMAN family were innkeepers and boat builders and Robert Sunman jnr built several luggers on Sheringham beach during the early early 1800's.
Robert SUNMAN married Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN on 15th July 1819 at All Saints Church Upper Sheringham Lower Sheringham did not have a parish church until the beginning of the 20th century.
Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN was born at Lower Sheringham 15th November 1798 and baptised at All Saints Church Upper Sheringham  23rd December 1798. Fathers name = Richard CHAMBERLAIN. Mothers name = Mary ???.
The following are from the Upper Sheringham Memorial Inscriptions by Walter Rye.
 Elijah Francis SUNMAN died 19th June 1850. aged 37.
George Willian SUNMAN died 29th November  1818.
Thomas Christmans SUNMAN died 14th April 180?. aged 7 years.
Wills Proved in the Consistory Court of Norwich 1819 - 1858.
1855 - SUNMAN, Elijah Frances, innkeeper of Sheringham. Folio #666, Whitty.
These are the fishing luggers I have found that were either built or owned by Robert SUNMAN jnr. Possibly there are more that have not been recorded. All were built on Sheringham Beach.
"ANNA MARY"  = 12 ton, 33ft, 3 masted lugger built at Sheringham 1839 by Robert SUNMAN jnr. Owned by Robert SUNMAN jnr, boat builder.
"CONFIDENCE" = 26 ton, 42ft, 3 masted lugger built at Sheringham 1841 by Robert SUNMAN jnr and owned by Robert SUNMAN jnr.
"NEW HENRY" = 11 ton, 30ft, 3masted lugger built at Sheringham 1839 by Robert SUNMAN jnr.
"REFUGE" = 14 tons, 33ft, 3 masted lugger built at Sheringham 1840 by Robert SUNMAN jnr.
"VICTORY" = 8 tons, 30ft, 3 masted lugger built at Sheringham 1840 by Robert SUNMAN jnr.
Robert SUNMAN must have had quite a large work force to be able to turn boats out as quickly as he did.
I hope this information has been of interest and help to you. If you think I can be any further help please do not hesitate to ask and I will see what I can dredge up from my records & files etc.

Regards. Blue Jacket.

Fascinating information Blue Jacket, thank you so much. William Sunman, Robert Sunman Jr's brother, was listed in the 1861 census as being lodging at Frederick St, Portsmouth. His family are not listed along with him (he is back with them on the 1871 census, living in Great Yarmouth) I assume that, being a carpenter/boat builder, he had had the opportunity to work at the shipyard there.

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The Common Room / Re: Marriage and Birth certificates. Help please.
« on: Sunday 07 August 11 01:12 BST (UK)  »
FreeBMD marriage John Caffray Dec 1/4 1863 Sunderland vol 10a page 594. On same page Ann Brady

When looking for the children's birth registrations try just putting in Caff* instead of any variations you can thnk of.
Possible for James in Sunderland  Dec 1/4 1871 vol 10a page 627

I found this one too this afternoon. It looks promising  :D

Thank you for your help crisane.

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The Common Room / Re: Marriage and Birth certificates. Help please.
« on: Sunday 07 August 11 01:08 BST (UK)  »
This seems to be them in 1871 listed as Cafferty

John Cafferty 30 b. Ireland
Ann Cafferty 24 b. Sunderland
Mary Cafferty 5 b. Sunderland
Margaret A Cafferty 2 b. Sunderland

Living in Monkwearmouth
RG10/Piece: 5020, Folio: 42

There is a possible birth reg 1868 dec quarter Margaret Cafrey


Yes! That's them :)  Thank you. Will check out the birth reg. Of the names I am researching, Caffrey is the one that's giving me the biggest headache. So many variations/misspellings of the name!!

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Lincolnshire / Re: Sheringham Maritime & Fishing History
« on: Sunday 07 August 11 00:59 BST (UK)  »
My maternal grandfather's family (Sunman) hail from Sheringham. The earliest I have traced back which confirms connections with Sheringham is the marriage of my great-great-great grandparents who married there in 1819. He was born in nearby Gresham, although she was apparently born in Sheringham in 1799 (I don't have firm evidence of this). The family stayed there for the next 50 years, before moving to Gt. Yarmouth. At one point, my great-grandparents were in Grimsby as my grandfather was born there. The Sunmans finally settled in Hull around 1900 were they remained. Many of the Sunmans were in the fishing industry.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Mystery
« on: Friday 05 August 11 22:39 BST (UK)  »
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I use Findmypast, and I have double checked and they are definitely not on their transcript of the 1901 census.

Search for SIMMAN in Hull  ;)

There is a reference search on findmypast - simply click on it and use the numbers keyboard has given you.

They are definitely there in 1901.

Yes, found them  :)  Mystery solved.. thank you Keyboard, Jen and silvery for helping me out. Very much appreciated.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Mystery
« on: Friday 05 August 11 20:32 BST (UK)  »
Do you know how to use the references?   

No  :-[

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Mystery
« on: Friday 05 August 11 20:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi in 1901 they are shown as SINMAN RG13/4503/193/40

Keyboard86

I just looked at the 1901 census, and I cannot see them  ???    I'm sorry, I am a bit of a novice and I only have access to one family history site. I can see Sinman listed but not ones that would be Henry/Mary & family.  The district could be either Great Yarmouth, Lincolnshire or Sculcoates(a Hull one).

Well if you use Ancestry they are under SUNMAN in 1901 on that reference I gave!
Henry 1867 Mary 1868 Henry 1890 Mary K 1897 Nora 1898
The same in 1891 on Ancestry they are SUNMAN Henry 1868 Mary 1868 Henry 1889

Keyboard86

I use Findmypast, and I have double checked and they are definitely not on their transcript of the 1901 census. So, I guess I will have to pop over to Ancestry to get a print out then. Annoying, as I have credits on findmypast only.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Mystery
« on: Friday 05 August 11 20:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi again in 1891 Henry/Mary/Henry are in Newcastle Henry snr is a Shipyard Labourer all shown as SUMMONS Census Ref RG12/4193/14/24

Keyboard86

Got that one!! Great! And it definitely is them as the birth places match up so thank you so much. Heck, that is a big difference in the name.  I will check the 1901 again.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Mystery
« on: Friday 05 August 11 20:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi in 1901 they are shown as SINMAN RG13/4503/193/40

Keyboard86

I just looked at the 1901 census, and I cannot see them  ???    I'm sorry, I am a bit of a novice and I only have access to one family history site. I can see Sinman listed but not ones that would be Henry/Mary & family.  The district could be either Great Yarmouth, Lincolnshire or Sculcoates(a Hull one).

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