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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Thursday 30 November 06 22:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Mike,
Thank you very much for providing this information. Most kind of you. Since I wrote the inquiry to which you responded on Roots Chat, I have been contacted by John Colam whose wife shares with me a common ancestor, specifically a great grandmother who was Charlotte Clarke Howe. It now appears that Charlotte Clarke Howe was married twice, both times in St Helier. Firstly in her late teens to an older man, Private Edward Liddell with whom she had a son, Charles Edward Liddell. Sadly, Edward Liddell died within a year or so of marrying (possibly en route back from India as he was invalided out of the army). Charlotte then married a man about three years her junior, my great grandfather, Private Thomas Jackson. Shortly after the marriage the family were posted to Ireland for a few months and from there they travelled on the Royal Navy troopship HMS Serapis, captained by John Clark Soady R.N., to Canada where Thomas Jackson served in the Lincolnshire Regiment possibly for a few years. The family were living in Lenton, a suburb of Nottingham by the time of the 1881 census and Thomas was no longer a soldier. John Colam has obtained a copy of the Ship's Log showing that Charlotte, Private Thomas Jackson's wife, gave birth, on board, to a female child (my grandmother) about 9 hours after the ship set sail at 4.10 pm on 19th August 1867 and that this child was baptized Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson three days later when the ship was mid-Atlantic.
I am gradually building this information into my own amateur website : www.mealsgate.tk  see Nottingham links and Channel Island Links - if interested.

John Colam's wife, Gillian, is directly descended from Charles Edward Liddell who was Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson's half brother. Last week I located the grave of Charles Edward Liddell and, as recently as yesterday, I found the burial record of his mother, Charlotte Clarke Jackson, formerly Liddell nee Howe. We are now hoping to locate her grave. She died aged just 38 and was buried on 27th December 1882 in Trinity Churchyard in Lenton Nottingham.
What is really mind-boggling is that John Colam has managed to trace some ancestral lines of Charlotte Clark Howe back in Jersey to 1478..... I think that represents going back 16 generations or thereabouts! This was possible, I suppose, because the family stayed put in Jersey ... in fact most were in the same Parish! Anyway, there's even a Le Bastard in there somewhere which, I understand, was the family name of the Duke of Normandy.... so who knows, could be related to William the Conqueror!! The other spooky thing is that my wife's late mother came from Guernsey so my wife has many relatives on Guernsey. Until John Colam identified Charlotte Clarke Howe as definitely coming from St Helier, I had no idea that I myself had Channel Islanders as ancestors.

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Sunday 05 November 06 18:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much for the extra information.
Regards, Colin

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Friday 03 November 06 13:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Mike,
No, I haven't seen this entry relating to the birth of my grandmother Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson on board the troopship HMS Serapis in the GRO records of births at sea 1862 -1875 and am wondering if it is possible to view this on line. I have no real expertise in genealogy research so please be gentle with me! Is it possible for you to tell me how to view page 173 of the records. I looked at the GRO website and it looks as if you can buy a hard copy of a marine birth for around £7 on line but they seem to need a lot of detail to order a certificate and it would be nice to view the record on line first if this is possible. I presume it must be. I did find just one page of marine births for this period on a site called Familyrelatives.org but the birth I'm interested in seeing the record of wasn't among those on that page.
Thanks very much for getting in touch and, if you can help further, it would be appreciated.
Regards, Colin.

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Thursday 12 May 05 12:55 BST (UK)  »
Re. Elizabeth Helen (known as Nellie) Buckenham nee Jackson.

I have a pretty firm date of birth for her (23 Nov 1891). This is because, after her marriage to her husband Robert (aka Bob) Buckenham and the birth of two daughters, Lucy and Ivy, Nellie and her family emigrated to Canada joining Thomas Buckenham, (Robert's brother who had emigrated years earlier) and Thomas's  wife, Ethel Blanche See. Thomas had established himself as a farmer in Canada and for a time Robert worked with his brother but life in Canada was not to Robert's liking and the family returned to Nottingham UK where Robert resumed work in a brickyard and he and Nellie had a third daughter, June.  All of this information is printed in North of the Gulley History Book Committee by Turner Warwick Printed Maidstne Mirror Saskatchewan 1981.

Census asks for age last birthday (I think) so in 1901 census am I right in thinking Nellie should be declared as 9 years (or 10 years if the census was held on or after 23 Nov that year). Do we know what date the census was taken?

I suppose it is conceivable that Nellie could have been farmed out to relatives of whom I am unaware and who recorded her as their own child on the census, perhaps to avoid embarrassment. It is possible that as a child Nellie was sent to a workhouse although I thought such institutions were more for orphans or destitute parents and their children. Clearly, Nellie did not lose contact with her mother Charlotte S.S. as in later life, certainly in the 1930s Nellie and her family, my father (Francis Thomas Jackson) and his mother were all living in close proximity to each other in the Meadows area of Nottingham. Also, when my father was a young child he lived with his mother in the Meadows area and his grandfather, Thomas Jackson,  (who never spoke to him owing to his illigitimacy or so he claimed), lived close by. My father had a childhood recollection of attending the funeral, along with his mother, of his grandfather in Wilford....... This is another line of enquiry I am trying to follow. If I can locate the grave, I might be able to ascertain his precise date of death and also whether other family members are buried with him. I have already located the grave of my father's mother Charlotte S.S. in The City of Nottingham Sothern Cemetery. This grave was purchased by my father in 1940 and his mother is the only occupant. I discovered that this grave can be transferred now to my ownership and that there is room in it for the burial of three more bodies or the ashes of I think it was ten people! Food for thought!

Anyway, I'd like the details .... certainly of No 2 on your list as Melton Mowbray looms large in all of this and the age for her is about right.   No 3. is a possibility on basis of age although Birmingham is 35 miles or more distant from where Charlotte was living age 22 when she gave birth to Nellie in 1891. No 4 seems unlikely - child too young and Durham is a long way North . The workhouse is I suppose another possibility - Northamptonshire County is adjacent to Leicestershire so not too far away.

UPDATE : NOW LOCATED AS ELIZABETH ELLEN LIVING IN NEARBY SCALFORD IN 1901 AGED 9 YEARS WITH A LADY CALLED SARAH KNAPP WHO DESCRIBES HER AS A NURSE CHILD.


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Canada Lookup Requests Completed / Passenger List HMS Serapis 1869
« on: Monday 09 May 05 18:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
Does anyone have access to the passenger list for HMS Serapis on her voyage from Portsmouth UK to Quebec Canada, Departing April 27 1869 and arriving in Canada May 15 1869 with 707 passengers (326 males, 166 females and 215 children under 12).
I shouldlike to know if any or all  the following persons are included on the passenger list:

Thomas Jackson male aged about 23 years
His wife Charlotte C. Jackson aged about 26 years
Their son Charles Edw. Liddell Jackson aged about 6 years
Their daughter Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson born on board HMS Serapis.

Although I managed to find on the internet the full passenger list of HMS Crocodile, another troopship that sailed about the same time, I cannot find a passenger list for HMS Serapis but believe it may exist on microfiche and CDROM. Is there anyone who has access and can check for me please? I am in Nottingham UK and understand that the records are held in Canada (although this was a Royal Navy ship on loan to the Government at the time for transporting emigrants (mainly unemployed Portsmouth dockworkers) to Canada.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Colin (username cailean)

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Monday 09 May 05 17:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi Annie ,
Many thanks ...will do.
Colin

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Sunday 08 May 05 23:29 BST (UK)  »
Re. Elizabeth Helen (known as Nellie) Buckenham nee Jackson.

I have a pretty firm date of birth for her (23 Nov 1891). This is because, after her marriage to her husband Robert (aka Bob) Buckenham and the birth of two daughters, Lucy and Ivy, Nellie and her family emigrated to Canada joining Thomas Buckenham, (Robert's brother who had emigrated years earlier) and Thomas's  wife, Ethel Blanche See. Thomas had established himself as a farmer in Canada and for a time Robert worked with his brother but life in Canada was not to Robert's liking and the family returned to Nottingham UK where Robert resumed work in a brickyard and he and Nellie had a third daughter, June.  All of this information is printed in North of the Gulley History Book Committee by Turner Warwick Printed Maidstne Mirror Saskatchewan 1981.

Census asks for age last birthday (I think) so in 1901 census am I right in thinking Nellie should be declared as 9 years (or 10 years if the census was held on or after 23 Nov that year). Do we know what date the census was taken?

I suppose it is conceivable that Nellie could have been farmed out to relatives of whom I am unaware and who recorded her as their own child on the census, perhaps to avoid embarrassment. It is possible that as a child Nellie was sent to a workhouse although I thought such institutions were more for orphans or destitute parents and their children. Clearly, Nellie did not lose contact with her mother Charlotte S.S. as in later life, certainly in the 1930s Nellie and her family, my father (Francis Thomas Jackson) and his mother were all living in close proximity to each other in the Meadows area of Nottingham. Also, when my father was a young child he lived with his mother in the Meadows area and his grandfather, Thomas Jackson,  (who never spoke to him owing to his illigitimacy or so he claimed), lived close by. My father had a childhood recollection of attending the funeral, along with his mother, of his grandfather in Wilford....... This is another line of enquiry I am trying to follow. If I can locate the grave, I might be able to ascertain his precise date of death and also whether other family members are buried with him. I have already located the grave of my father's mother Charlotte S.S. in The City of Nottingham Sothern Cemetery. This grave was purchased by my father in 1940 and his mother is the only occupant. I discovered that this grave can be transferred now to my ownership and that there is room in it for the burial of three more bodies or the ashes of I think it was ten people! Food for thought!

Anyway, I'd like the details .... certainly of No 2 on your list as Melton Mowbray looms large in all of this and the age for her is about right.   No 3. is a possibility on basis of age although Birmingham is 35 miles or more distant from where Charlotte was living age 22 when she gave birth to Nellie in 1891. No 4 seems unlikely - child too young and Durham is a long way North . The workhouse is I suppose another possibility - Northamptonshire County is adjacent to Leicestershire so not too far away.


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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Sunday 08 May 05 19:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
FRANCIS THOMAS JACKSON was my father (Transposition of forenames was my error in earlier message). I was responsible for registering his death at age 89 in 1997.
He was born 20 April 1908 and the illegitimate son of Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson. His older sister (or maybe half-sister), also illegitimate, was Elizabeth Helen Buckenham nee Jackson  (Nellie) and was supposedly born in vicinity of Melton Mowbray on 23 Nov 1891. ..... but I can find no reference to her birth being registered nor can I find her on the census for 1901 when she would be about ten years old. As I said, she is not living with her mother Carlotte S.S. Jackson who in 1901 was a live-in servant at The Rectory in Wyfordby near Melton Mowbray. ELIZABETH ELLEN JACKSON NOW LOCATED  AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE ORDERED FROM INDEX MELTON MOWBRAY MAR 1882 VOL 7a PAGE 316
Colin (cailean)

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Sunday 08 May 05 19:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi annie,
Yes I had the 1881 census information putting the family at 101 Park Street and, as I said, believe that I have followed Thomas Jackson in the next two census records when he has a new wife Annie and starts a second family. I am pretty confident it is the same Thomas Jackson because of Charlotte S.S. Jackson his daughter who is still residing with him in 1891 whilst working as a general servant but by 1901 Charlotte S.S. Jackson is working as a general servant living in at The Rectory in Wyfordby near Melton Mowbray working for the Rector, a CofE clergyman, and his wife and children, the Ramsay family. At this stage 1901, Charlotte S.S. has a ten year old daughter Elizabeth Helen (Nellie) but where is she???? I can find no reference to her birth and I don't know where she was living. Perhaps, she lived in with her mother but wasn't recorded on the census as living at the Rectory because of her illegitimacy. Perhaps she had been fostered and was living with other relatives? UPDATE : MY DAD'S SISTER (MAYBE HALF-SISTER) NELLIE NOW LOCATED AS ELIZABETH ELLEN AGE 9 LIVING IN NEARBY SCALFORD WITH A 63 YEAR OLD WIDOW CALLED SARAH KNAPP AND HER SON. NELLIE'S RELATIONSHIP TO SARAH KNAPP HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD  IS DESCRIBED AS A NURSE CHILD (NOT A TERM I'M FAMILIAR WITH)

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