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Cavan / Re: McManus family of Kilmore, Cavan
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 06:37 BST (UK) »
I have just realised that I started this thread in January 2014!
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Cavan / Re: McManus family of Kilmore, Cavan
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 06:29 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I meant 1841, 1851 and 1861 census returns for Scotland.
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Cavan / Re: McManus family of Kilmore, Cavan
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 06:27 BST (UK) »
I am also researching my McManus family from Kilmore, Co Cavan, beginning with John McManus born Kilmore, Co Cavan c 1746 whose military life has been fairly well documented in military archive records. He served in the 1st Regiment of Foot, fought at the Siege of Charlestown, South Carolina, was wounded and completed his military service at Fort George in the Royal Company of Invalids. He was 'demobbed' in Edinburgh in 1802. He married Margaret Ruddoch and had a son, John McManus, christened at Ardersier, nr Fort George on 9 September, 1799. My son, Duncan, was christened at the chapel at Fort George in 1970, some 171 years after his ancestor, John McManus. Duncan's name is inscribed on the Cradle Roll on the wall of Fort George chapel. The following information may be of some help with your McManus research.
John McManus christened Ardersier, 9 September 1799 to John McManus (soldier and shoemaker, born Kilmore, Co Cavan) and Margaret Ruddoch (Riddoch/Riddock) born Petty, Inverness-shire c 1780, lived in Elgin and had 11 children, several who sadly died young. I have visited their grave near the high altar of Elgin Cathedral where four McManus children are buried with their grandparents, John and Janet Murdoch.
John McManus (b 1799) died on 6 March, 1880 at Moray Union Poorhouse, Bishopsmill, Elgin.
His wife, Margaret Murdoch died 28 May, 1861 at 202 High Street, Elgin.
These are my ancestors, with their second youngest son, Alexander McManus, born Elgin 1837 being my great-great-grandfather. All of the McManus children were born in Elgin. Their surviving children all married and stayed in Scotland, some later moving to Edinburgh (as did Alexander McManus my great-great-grandfather).
I have a good deal of information on the McManus family of Moray that I would be happy to share with anyone researching this family.
Their long residency in Moray would discount their emigrating to Ireland.
They are on the 1851, 1851, and 1861 Scotland census and the baptism records for their children are on Scotland’s People. Another excellent source of Moray and north Scotland historical records is Libindex (Moray).
John McManus, born Elgin, 1823 is on the 1841 Scotland census living with his family at Sievewright’s (sp?) Close, Elgin. He was an Apprentice Printer on this census. I do not have any further information about him at this point in time but my research continues.
John McManus christened Ardersier, 9 September 1799 to John McManus (soldier and shoemaker, born Kilmore, Co Cavan) and Margaret Ruddoch (Riddoch/Riddock) born Petty, Inverness-shire c 1780, lived in Elgin and had 11 children, several who sadly died young. I have visited their grave near the high altar of Elgin Cathedral where four McManus children are buried with their grandparents, John and Janet Murdoch.
John McManus (b 1799) died on 6 March, 1880 at Moray Union Poorhouse, Bishopsmill, Elgin.
His wife, Margaret Murdoch died 28 May, 1861 at 202 High Street, Elgin.
These are my ancestors, with their second youngest son, Alexander McManus, born Elgin 1837 being my great-great-grandfather. All of the McManus children were born in Elgin. Their surviving children all married and stayed in Scotland, some later moving to Edinburgh (as did Alexander McManus my great-great-grandfather).
I have a good deal of information on the McManus family of Moray that I would be happy to share with anyone researching this family.
Their long residency in Moray would discount their emigrating to Ireland.
They are on the 1851, 1851, and 1861 Scotland census and the baptism records for their children are on Scotland’s People. Another excellent source of Moray and north Scotland historical records is Libindex (Moray).
John McManus, born Elgin, 1823 is on the 1841 Scotland census living with his family at Sievewright’s (sp?) Close, Elgin. He was an Apprentice Printer on this census. I do not have any further information about him at this point in time but my research continues.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Monday 03 February 25 04:19 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Sue. I can now add Mary's and Madie's exact birth date to their records. It is strange that Mary T doesn't appear in any records after her birth, but Madie is easy to trace via census and, later a marriage to Colin C Turner. I have Madie Jane Clayton Turner's death in Weston-Super-Mare.
With the search for Marion Martha/Edith Marion Clayton Gibson, now that I have her younger sister, Elizabeth Ann Clayton Ketterson's obituary, I know that Marion died before her as only two of Elizabeth Ann's siblings are mentioned as family (Henry living in Durban, and Isabella living in London).
Thank you again everyone who has so kindly helped with my Clayton research.
With the search for Marion Martha/Edith Marion Clayton Gibson, now that I have her younger sister, Elizabeth Ann Clayton Ketterson's obituary, I know that Marion died before her as only two of Elizabeth Ann's siblings are mentioned as family (Henry living in Durban, and Isabella living in London).
Thank you again everyone who has so kindly helped with my Clayton research.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Monday 03 February 25 00:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for these links. One for the 1905 New Jersey census is a bit strange. In Elizabeth Ketterson's record it states that she was born in 1876 when she was born in 1873, it also states that she was born in Ireland and that her parents were born in Ireland (father) and Scotland (mother). Her husbands record states England, England, England. I suspect that the enumerator had it the wrong way around as Elizabeth's record should have shown England for all three births (hers, father's mother's) and Ireland/Ireland/Scotland for her husband John's (his, his father, his mother). Little wonder we amateur researchers get confused!
I have now been able to add so much more to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's story - many thanks!
I have now been able to add so much more to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's story - many thanks!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Monday 03 February 25 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this information. Toyse is not a name in our family, I wonder if it is a mistranscribe? I think that I saw somewhere quite a while ago that the T stood for 'Teresa'. Is the record that you sent to me a death? She and her twin, Madie Jane are on the BDM birth record (same record, same date), born August 1911, but after this date, only Madie Jane is on future records.
I suppose the actual birth certificate would give Mary T's full first names? I can't find a baptism for the twins either even though all of the Clayton children of every generation have always been baptised. Another mystery.
I suppose the actual birth certificate would give Mary T's full first names? I can't find a baptism for the twins either even though all of the Clayton children of every generation have always been baptised. Another mystery.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Sunday 02 February 25 22:59 GMT (UK) »Thank you so much for the link to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's marriage certificate. After searching for so long, I am very happy to see that she had married again.
Finding information on some of the Clayton women has been challenging whereas the men have been easy to trace.
Another Clayton that cannot be found is Mary T Clayton, twin of Madie Jane Clayton, twins born to Henry Eugene Clayton and Mary Ann Hughes in Brentford in 1911. Madie Jane can be found in census records after her birth living with her mother (father Henry left them and sailed off to South Africa where he remained until his death) but Mary T is nowhere to be found. I have searched death records, marriage and census records but nothing has been found. She also seems to disappear.
So I now have to try to find Mary T Clayton (1911 - ?)and Marion Martha Clayton Gibson (1862 - ?).
Then I will have found all of the 'missing' Clayton girls.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 07:47 GMT (UK) »
On one family tree, there is a story that references Mary Elizabeth Fielding Hindle Gibson, Frank Gibson's first wife. Her granddaughter, Renee Lillian, went to live with her and Renee's father, Thomas Fielding Gibson after he divorced his first wife. Renee lived with her grandmother from 1933-1935. On Thomas Fielding Gibson's second marriage record it states that his father is Francis C Gibson and his mother is Mary Elizabeth Fielding. It seems as if she reverted to her birth surname of Fielding after Francis left her. Mary Elizabeth's baptism shows the surname Hindle but no father and no father present in her life after her birth. Her marriage states that her father is John Hindle but there is no record of his ever being in her life after her birth.
A US Social Security claim by Robert Fielding Gibson dated 1968 includes name of father, Francis C Gibson and mother Mary Elizabeth Fielding. Her death may be recorded under the name of Fielding, some time after 1935?
I was wondering if something tragic had befallen Marion Clayton Gibson, wife of Claude Gibson, after their marriage. She is not on the 1891 census, she doesn't appear to have lived with him. She was a domestic servant and working class, and he was gentry, so I suspect that he married her (3 years after the birth of their son) to give his son a name but they had a marriage in name only. Sometimes, family name their children after a brother or sister who they were fond of but who came to a sad end. Three of Marion's family named their daughters Marion. Her brother, Henry named his daughter, Linda Marion; her sister, Elizabeth Ann, named one of her daughters by George Parker, Ada Marion Parker; her sister, Matilda, named one of her daughters Marion Rosina.
Thank you, everyone, for all of your ideas and tips.
A US Social Security claim by Robert Fielding Gibson dated 1968 includes name of father, Francis C Gibson and mother Mary Elizabeth Fielding. Her death may be recorded under the name of Fielding, some time after 1935?
I was wondering if something tragic had befallen Marion Clayton Gibson, wife of Claude Gibson, after their marriage. She is not on the 1891 census, she doesn't appear to have lived with him. She was a domestic servant and working class, and he was gentry, so I suspect that he married her (3 years after the birth of their son) to give his son a name but they had a marriage in name only. Sometimes, family name their children after a brother or sister who they were fond of but who came to a sad end. Three of Marion's family named their daughters Marion. Her brother, Henry named his daughter, Linda Marion; her sister, Elizabeth Ann, named one of her daughters by George Parker, Ada Marion Parker; her sister, Matilda, named one of her daughters Marion Rosina.
Thank you, everyone, for all of your ideas and tips.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello again, Sue. I have found the Victorian Inward Passenger List and Claude Gibson is on it, born 1858 (which he was, if the same Claude Gibson) but struck through. This may mean that he did not disembark in Capetown (where his family had lived previously) but went on to Australia where he had a brother in Melbourne.