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Tipperary / Re: Sadleirs in Tipperary
« on: Thursday 17 November 11 15:14 GMT (UK)  »
No, sorry, I don't know about the Colleys although I think I am related to the Massy in question as well as to RWR Sadleir. Very small circle, that Protestant Ascendancy lot!

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Tipperary / Re: Sadleirs in Tipperary
« on: Wednesday 16 November 11 08:51 GMT (UK)  »
It's the greenhouses for the same house! The tree on the right of the 2nd pic is the same as the tree on the left of the 3rd - you can overlap them and get the orginal one picture they talk about. Somewhere online I found an aerial survey of the grounds which clearly shows that curving driveway to the house.

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Tipperary / Re: Sadleirs in Tipperary
« on: Tuesday 15 November 11 17:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi mm,
No, all my info on Kingswells/Sadleirswells is from internet searches - that site and couple of other hints. Are you or your cousins related to Sadleirs or Massys at all, or were they just living in the house? Shame it got demolished, but when things are too far gone, what else can you do? My other ancestral Irish big house was Blessington House, which is now underneath a brand new shopping centre and dormitory town for Dublin apparently - when I went a few years ago you could still see the landscaping of the grounds, although the building was long gone.
All the best,
Colin in Edinburgh

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Tipperary / Re: Sadleirs in Tipperary
« on: Monday 08 August 11 12:56 BST (UK)  »
Dundrum is where Killenure Castle is - ancient home of the Cooper family. My great great grandparents were the above RWR Sadleir and Eleanor Wilhelmina Octavia Cooper of Killenure. RWRS was of Sadleirswells, not Bonerea, but presumably there is some connection?

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Tipperary / Re: Sadleirs in Tipperary
« on: Monday 11 July 11 17:23 BST (UK)  »
Hello all, new to site!

I am descended from Richard William Ralph Sadleir of Sadleirswells (1819-1876), my gt gt grandfather. Does anyone have ANY information about him beyond census returns?!

He put Sadleirswells on the market in 1854, although it was I think in the end only leased to John Massy. Was his decision to part with the family home connected with the Tipperary Bank scandal then about to blow up thanks to his cousin John Sadleir (as refered to in Jack2227's clipping above)? What happened to Sadleirswells? John Massy renamed it Kingswell House - did it remain out of the Sadleir family?

RWRS himself was declared bankrupt in 1868 after a disastrous venture into chemical manufacture in St Helens and he ended his days as a bank clerk. It seems to have been a lfe of slow, steady decline! His 5 children were born in Ireland, Preston, Wales and St Helens.

RWRS was eldest son of Richard Sadleir and Mathilda Frances Massy, grandson of Richard Sadleir (who bought Kingswell and renamed it Sadleirswells) and Eleanor Toler, great grandson of Nicholas Sadleir of Golden Garden and Lachen (d 1762) and his wife Anne Ballard.

Happy to share anything I have, and hoping for anything you have on Richard William Ralph Sadleir and his family.

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