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Kent / Re: gorham name
« on: Saturday 11 July 15 04:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lorayne, happy to oblige you, here is the email address of Desmond Gorham the author of the very thorough Gorham Family book- On Gunnery Creek.
desandkaye@bigpond
I am sure Des will assist you in obtaining a copy of his book.
Cheers,
Copperjohn.

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The Common Room / Re: WW2 civilian ration book details?
« on: Sunday 22 February 15 23:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your posts re WW2 ration books. No I don't have, I have the passenger lists both ways to Sth Africa and return she is my g'mother-she worked for an Ostrich feather farmer, no fathers name on Sth African wedding papers in 1909 which I have plus her husbands full Army records-no joy either, have not tried Yorkshire school registers as cannot confirm which one would be my MJH.
I have tried sourcing her passenger ticket to S/A and return as there may have been a record of next of kin & DOB in case of a shipping disaster of someone to notify?.
Can anyone suggest where I can search on line for ration book/Identity card records?. Apart from getting into a time machine any help would be appreciated and explored.
regards all,
copper john WA

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The Common Room / WW2 civilian ration book details?
« on: Sunday 22 February 15 02:36 GMT (UK)  »
please advise anyone: I have exhausted avenues to confirm my grandmother's birthplace & date in Yorkshire. she was born Mary Jane Horner c 1880 married my grandfather Edward Gorham Sth Africa 1909 lived in London Southend and Rochford Essex. d 1944 Rochford, I have no other details as to above, what other official records would have the above information, have tried BMD, Parish records, all census,nil in any family records including birthday date- no will left, no drivers license.
Hoping that her wartime ration books might have the info I seek, during the war years & up to her death in 1944 she was living at Brays Lane Canewdon near Rochford Essex.
Ancestry does disclose 5 other Mary Jane Horners in the Yorkshire area around that time period but I would like to confirm?.
cheers.
copper john Western Australia.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Friday 06 February 15 07:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lizdb/Rosie99, re any estate for James/Francis, we know Francis had 7 children-my dad told me on a few occasions (he died 2007 at 94yrs) that the family had property where Hendon aerodrome now stands(a row of terrace houses) and recalled going there when young, apparently this property was squandered by one of Francis sons after he died so this may be the reason the estate was protected when Francis died?. Death caused by "Congestion of the brain"?this from his death certificate 1856.
Another scenario I had not considered: did James father Francis to a wife prior to Maria or perhaps a illegitimate birth to a loved one who may have died in childbirth?, if the latter then we can forget Maria as the mother of Francis?.I appeal to your London knowledge of websites who may be able to uncover these other possibilities-if they exist at all- any clues please? I appreciate you both trying to help me. No results either from the Hendon people!. Cheers copper john.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Thursday 05 February 15 08:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lizdb & Rosie, I have asked myself all the questions you ask and followed up where I can,we really need to find Francis birth details including his mother's or we keep going around in circles.
I would like to view any 1841 London census including these Gorham's for clues?, we have both at separate addresses in the 1851 census and only a few streets apart for work at Kensington Palace over the road from High St Kensington. I visited there in 2007 I live in Western Australia.
Francis'wife Harriet father was a solicitor living in Bond St and would have offered advice on how to minimise any taxes owing (probate) Francis died at 41yrs -my understanding is that the family-James Francis and Harriet all new of his illness that would lead to his early death which was the same year as James but later on, all my info is on these postings; everything else is conjecture.
cheers copper john

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Wednesday 04 February 15 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie, from searching we have found:Maria Searle/Searly married Abraham Brown from banns at St Mary at Hill Middlesex 2/7/1815 no other info ie births etc. have been found apart from a newspaper article in the Salisbury and Winchester Journal 9/7/1821 it reads: lately was married at St Martin in the Field Church Mr James Gorham of Kensington to Miss Maria Brown Searly late of Blandford Dorset.
I have been in touch with the Dorset family history people- they cannot uncover anything re Maria.
Abraham died and was buried 16/3/1817 (cause of death not known) at St Andrews Holborn London.
when Maria married my James Gorham 13/6/1821 she had added Brown into her christian name & on the bann notice 9/6/1821 her maiden name was spelt both Seale and Searle on the same official record, Maria died 27/4/1822 aged 44yrs buried at St Mary Abbot Church Kensington.
Hope this all helps.
cheers copper john

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Wednesday 04 February 15 06:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Liz Rosie, thank you for your input and suggestions still nothing concrete!. Francis' birth/baptism records must be somewhere in either Church/Parish records-or was he an illegitimate baby between James and an unknown mother?, was Maria a single mother when she married Abraham (Francis was born around the period she met and married Abraham) James must have known the circumstances around Maria and Francis when he married her when Francis was around 5-6 yrs old and James accepted "Brown" into Maria's name( she did not use Brown until after Abraham died?).
Was Francis an orphan/waif that Maria and Abraham then James all wanted to foster care?- so many questions with few or no answers. James had a sister Hester b Ashford c1787 married a Thos Spencer had 2 sons Thos b 30/10/1815, Henry b 3/2/1818 Guildford but died 11/6/1835. I could trace Thos line for DNA sample to match with mine- cheers copper john.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Tuesday 03 February 15 12:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie, I can only assume that Maria is the birth mother of Francis as I have no confirming evidence, this is all complicated by Maria's marriage to Abraham then James, all I do know is that Francis went into being a clockmaker with James servicing Kensington palace as a Clockmaker to the Queen and Royal household, James held a Royal Warrant, they lived apart in the 1851 London census although a few houses apart.They both died in 1856 and are buried together in the same plot in the Kensal Green cemetery. The 1851 census notes Francis was born Kensington Middlesex.
Francis married Harriet Brough 4/12/1841 at St James Westminster they had 7 children, this is my ancestry- however who is Francis's blood father?.
Cheers,
copper john.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Tuesday 03 February 15 08:46 GMT (UK)  »
Francis is my ancestor I have no info on his birth/baptism, born to Maria Brown(nee Searly/Sealy) who was married to an Abraham Brown 2/7/1815 at St Mary at Hill Middlesex, Abraham died 16/3/1817 buried at St Andrews Holborn London. Maria then married James Gorham 13/6/1821 at St martin in the Fields, London. Maria then died 27/4/1822 age 44yrs buried St Mary Abbot church Kensington. James then raised Francis as his own son (could have been?) I have no record of either Maria Searly/Sealy birth or her son Francis birth, note that on her marriage license Maria has added "Brown"to her christian name also on her marriage license.
Need to confirm Francis father if possible no clues anywhere I have looked.
cheers- copper john

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