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Thank you for your replies it is really appreciated. A researcher suggested that Anna Maria was born 1801 in Walcot, parents were William and Elizabeth. He thought there may be a connection to the Matthias Harris family but we haven’t found one yet. We thought Edmund maybe the answer as a professor of music, Edwin and Franks musical talent and then Fredericks (Edwins son ) May have come from him. We haven’t been able to find Edward Barnes birth, but we have a family in Swinbrook Oxfordshire who look quite good. Father Edward mother Jane. They had an Edward (the wheelwright) ? Edward called his first born James Edward (my gt gt grandfather) if it’s right this Edward had a brother James, my Edward called his only daughter Jane, as did Edwin when he had a daughter. When James skipped off to New Zealand, he named his house Swynford, and when his first daughter was born he had the birth put in the Gloucestshire and Oxfordshire papers. We know that James’ second wife came from Gloucestershire. He also told his new in laws that his father was a QC called Edward Fobert Acton Barnes ! Would love to hear all your thoughts on this please

Thank you for your suggestions, I will persevere ! 

Just looked at Find My Past, nothing on the apprenticeships for Edward. Looked at newspapers no mention of Edwards death. Have a copy of newspaper reporting Fredericks death and know what James was doing. Have photos of Edwins gravestone in Hampstead, we just have so much on the family except the one thing we need to push further back. Edwards birth grrrrrr 

Precisely ! We don’t know how the sons ended up doing what they did, when their father was a wheelwright ! Edwins son shot himself in Montreal while working over there. He had married Leonora Brahams a soprano with the Doyle Carte company. It’s a real puzzle. We think maybe there was a well off relative ? Or maybe their musical talent was recognised by the church ? Would love to get to the bottom of this enigma. We know it’s correct, we have letters supplied by James descendants in New Zealand that Edwin wrote to him, they mention our gt gt grandmother.  We also have certificates, we have proved the connection but haven’t been able to answer all the questions. Any suggestions would be most welcome !