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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Who Am I? No. 1 - Photos with possible connections to WAI No. 10
« on: Monday 11 May 15 02:00 BST (UK)  »
A novel indeed, perhaps like an Agatha Christie one who lived up the road from Braziers in her later life and passed away there. Interestingly perhaps, I've found a letter d/d 2 Nov. 1924 written from Braziers Park congratulating Conservative MP, Sir William Bridgeman on his election victory. signed W Mount. I think this W Mount is possibly Sir William Mount, MP for Newbury and also a barrister. He must have been visiting the Moon's residence as his own estate was near Aldermaston. He had a son of the same name who got married in 1929 at the village church in Moulsford, Berks. Not that far from Braziers as it happens. But an odd choice of place to have his marriage for its a small place even today, but it did used to have the training school for staff of the Berkshire Lunatic Asylum at Cholsey.
Still, his newly married son had a daughter named Mary Fleur Mount who would later marry a Scottish stockbroker named Ian Cameron, and their son is David Cameron, PM. With their estate in Scotland shown on the thread, a nice house in London I'm sure, it made me wonder why Herbert Moon bothered buying Braziers Park off Valentine Fleming? The school bought it in 1950 for £8,600.   Paul

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Who Am I? No. 1 - Photos with possible connections to WAI No. 10
« on: Sunday 10 May 15 04:44 BST (UK)  »
An interesting read; thanks. To add a bit more to the Moon side of the story. Ernest Moon and his wife Emma also owned Braziers Park in Ipsden, Oxfordshire. They bought it in 1911 off of Valentine Fleming MP, of the Scottish Fleming & Co bank family and father of Ian Fleming. Ernest died there in 1930 and Lady Emma Moon died there in Dec. 1947. Son Arthur was the Executor of her estate. She and her husband are buried down the road from Braziers Park in the church yard at Checkendon. In 1950 Braziers Park was bought by a residential commune college which it still is today. One of the co- founders of the college was Maj. R Glynn Faithfull, father of Marianne Faithfull, who lived there as a young girl and returned in the mid-60s for awhile when her new boyfriend, Mick Jagger (and the rest of the Rolling Stones) would visit. It's also turned up in two episodes of Midsomer Murders.  Paul

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Berkshire / Re: Fox Grove - Enbourne - Newbury
« on: Sunday 19 June 11 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Daniel New---the speculation that Daniel New married twice or that the one in Fulham is yours I can't see how these ideas came about I'd come across as they both soon collapse within minutes of looking at them.

It seems to me that back at Ashbury, these two Daniels were likely cousins; the later Fulham one being born some 12-18 months after your Daniel in Newbury.

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Berkshire / Re: 1722 Purley marriage Hart & Teggns
« on: Saturday 18 June 11 16:37 BST (UK)  »
Perhaps the P stands for Parish???

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Berkshire / Re: Fox Grove - Enbourne - Newbury
« on: Saturday 18 June 11 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Glad you were able to come here and see some of the places connected with your family.
Joseph New might have come from Newbury; then to Ashbury and eventually returned.
His son Daniel 1792 had two wives; Susan and Lucy with a lot of children.
John's father John, as you likely know, married Ellen Thorne in Marylebone, London 1853 and he was a police constable there judging by his stated address. Possibly a police officer in Newbury too?

By 1911, John and Fanny were living at Carnarvon Terrace, Newbury. They'd had 5 children by then, one of whom had died.

21 Dec. 1911 on board ship Miltiades, London to Melbourne were---Mr C E New, Mrs E M New, Master A E New,  Miss A P New, Miss N E M New, and possibly traveling with them, Mrs A Timms.  Is this your Charles Edmund and Elizabeth Mary New emmigrating?

Interesting about the pub connections too which looks to be a family story in itself.

Paul

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Berkshire / Re: Fox Grove - Enbourne - Newbury
« on: Saturday 18 June 11 08:11 BST (UK)  »
Fox Grove doesn't appear amongst the Listed Buildings at Enborne.  If you turn the census to the previous page, living with them is William Thomas and family who seems to work with John New.

Interestingly, next door the other side is Wheatlands Farm, the one used in the Civil War as a hospital, and one of my wife's relations is living there, Alfred Whitington and family, and for many years, Whitingtons also ran two shops in Newbury town centre. Alfred had married my wife's gt aunt, Ann Marie Ashman from Salisbury.

At the moment, I would hazard that Fox Grove was built in the 1800s.

John's earlier years are 1871 at Old Rd, Newbury which today I think is Old Newtown Rd, and then moved a short distance away to ( 1881) Shrewsbury Terrace, off Buckingham Rd. I think his parents are both in Newtown Rd Cemetery and the family has been around Newbury since at least 1748, though I guess you only wanted to know about his home at Enborne really.

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Berkshire / Re: Fox Grove - Enbourne - Newbury
« on: Saturday 18 June 11 00:33 BST (UK)  »
Well, for a bit of older history, in 1643 the Parliamentarian army  had come along here from Enborne/Hampstead Marshall on their way to Reading as the Royalists had arrived in Newbury who tried to block them off.  So, just east of your Fox Grove farm and up to Wash Common became the battle ground for the 1st Battle of Newbury, September 1643. One of the farms a bit along was used as a hospital. I don't know how old Fox Grove farm is though, so may or may not have been around at the time of this Civil War battle.

Paul

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Berkshire / Re: Thatcham Places
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 20:53 BST (UK)  »
I would also say Turn Field and Crown St are different locations. Turn Field appears in 1783 and much later would evolve into Turnfields. In 1921, the owner Arthur Brown, gave it to Thatcham Parish Council to be used as a recreation area for children as it still is along Chapel St.  In the 1600s it had been known as Tunfield possibly suggesting it was a round field perhaps coming from the old English,  Trun. The recreation area seems only a portion of a former larger area making up Turn Field.

Crown St had earlier been also known as West St and Cheap St. In the 1851 Census, part of it now appears as Crown St, named after the Crown Inn, and Cheap St would fall into disuse.  By the latter 1800's it started to become known informally as the High St.  West St makes it's reappearance in the 1896 to 1914 electoral registers. At the start of 1928, it was officially now known as High St.

In 1851, a brief check shows Hydes living almost opposite Turn Field on Chapel St.  If any of those living in Broad St are yours, today it's The Broadway which adjoins the High St.  The 1841 plot numbers around this area ( Broadway/High St) were in the 1200 series numbers.

So, i think at least these two are different places, though not that far from each other.

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Newbury St Nicolas BERRY
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 16:10 BST (UK)  »
While Berry doesn't seem very common in the Newbury area, it does pop up in the records of St Peter's church at Brimpton, a few miles to the east. William and Lettice Berry had 9 children baptised there between 1707 and 1724. Some seem to stay and others move away as between 1758 and 1834, five marriages appear, and not surprisingly, Berry burials are recorded too. Thus, is William coming from one of this family that moved away?   Is the surname Beare a variation of Berry?  In the mid 1700s, they were a short distance away at Crookham.

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