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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Tuesday 06 December 05 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
I have come across a manuscript on the life of Sir Robert Barrie and in it contains a mention of his aunt, Agnes Gardner, and that she ran a type of school for girls.  The author of this manuscript did not footnote this to indicate where he found this information.  Would there be any liklihood that her partner, Mrs Mary Prior, might have been a teacher at her house?  Do you have any suggestions with this possibility?

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Dumfriesshire / "Annals of Sanquhar" by Tom Wilson
« on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:41 BST (UK)  »
Is there anyone out there who has viewed this book (published circa 1920's)?  Is there anyone who can give me specific information about Tom Wilson's sources.  I have a copy and there is extensive information about my John Barrie family (Robert Barrie etc); however what information has been written cannot be verified.  Would like to know where Wilson got his information.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Saturday 04 June 05 10:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi:  Thanks for taking the time to check the Ipswich Journal index and the "Wills Preserved in Essex Record Office Vol 3 1721-1858".  You wouldn't find Sir Robert Barrie nor George or Dolly Clayton there because they all died in Lancashire.  Lord Alan Gardner died in Staffordshire, Valentine Gardner died in London, and his son William Linnaeus Gardner (who founded Gardner's Horse) died in India.  I was only able to locate Agnes Gardner's Last Will and Testament in the National Archives--why her Will appears in the Nat'l Archives but not in the book you looked through, I have no idea--that's certainly a puzzlement to me.  As you did locate the date of burial for MRS. Mary Prior, and as she was listed as a "partner" in Agnes Gardner's Will, (which I had taken to mean companion but now believe they were also business partners possibly co-landowners) I have to believe there is something to the "Gardener-Prior" Land Tax Assessment record you found and posted to me on 23 May 05.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Monday 23 May 05 13:20 BST (UK)  »
Something tells me that Mary Prior must have passed away sometime in1817.  I find it interesting that the surname is written Gardener, but then in my own specific surname research, family members added an additional letter and some did not... so I guess it isn't so unusual.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Monday 23 May 05 13:08 BST (UK)  »
Well we have possibly a BINGO here--  Mary Prior was a companion of Agnes Gardner's... and she was mentioned in Agnes' will; however, in the Will she was only left 100 pounds... nothing was mentioned about any land given to her.  Wondering if something was worked out between the Gardner family and Mary Prior that she would have a place to live??  I think this is what I have been looking for.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Sunday 22 May 05 16:23 BST (UK)  »
After having taken a deep breath and did a bit of checking on Agnes Gardner's Last Will and Testament, I came across this bit that I thought I would ask about... "Agnes bequeathed ALL her personal possessions to George and Edward CLAYTON, together with "all and every the Messuages lands tenements and hereditaments parts of the Messuages land tenements and hereditaments and all other my real estate whatsoever and wherever......"  Wouldn't this tend to make one think that she possibly owned where she lived?  Can you possibly tell me if there is a Deeds Registry somewhere in Essex that might have the information that I seek? 

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Wednesday 18 May 05 01:57 BST (UK)  »
Well I guess that I take a big boot in the proverbial optimistic backside...  I've been on the go in the past 24 hours, logging in about 300 miles on my car, chauffering about some friends and family members--when I catch my breath and get a good night's sleep under my belt, I will have a look at Agnes Gardner's Last Will and Testament.  Perhaps that might have a clue in it...  In recaping what I do know, she lived in Dedham (why there I have no idea) in the 1780's because her nephew stayed with her when he attended Dedham School.  We know that she lived there until her death and was buried in St. Mary's Churchyard.  She never married.  She was a woman of means.  Clearly she must have rented a home.  She was very close to her sister Dolly Gardner-Barrie-Clayton, and George Clayton is mentioned several times in her Will--perhaps there is a link there with the land... will get out my magnifying glass and see what I can uncover.   

I know you went to alot of trouble and time to dig through the records for me... I can't thank you enough for the time and effort you have gone to in order to help me with what had been a brick wall--slowly I will be tearing it down... and it will come down!! 

Thank you again for your kindness

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Saturday 14 May 05 11:51 BST (UK)  »
Hello Again:

Yes, I thoroughly enjoyed the 2-3 hours I spent in Dedham looking around the town, in the churchyard, and checking out the school to the rear of the church and the school across the street from the church's main walkway....which I think is presently a family home.  I noted that there is "grafitti" on the soft brick of what once was the school, with names and dates which go back to earlier than 1750....

I have high hopes that the house that Agnes lived in might exist today as there are many homes in close proximity of St. Mary's that did indeed exist even in the 1600's---to think it would have the same "post code" would be humerous; however, the house typically carries on it's name if it does exist unless changed into some type of multi-function place/terraced house, etc.

Yes, I have found Agnes in the IGI, having been born in Uttoxeter, Staffordshire--one of approx 11 children of Elizabeth Farington Gardner and Col. William Gardner...and their home in Uttoxeter is still in existance today, but it has now become offices for a legal firm.

I have heard of Tithe Maps, and somewhere in the back of my memory banks I have heard of Land Tax assessment records, but here again I am at a loss to know where they would be located and how best to try to access them. 

In regards to pessimism--I look at this situation with Agnes and her home as a 50/50 chance --  "Cautiously Optimistic" might best describe my feelings at this point...

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Agnes Gardner-Dedham Essex
« on: Friday 13 May 05 19:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much... a little over a year ago, I had saved my extra cash and made the flight from America, went to little Dedham, and searched the cemetary at St. Mary's looking for Agnes, but was unable to read any headstones prior to the 1860's...and what were there to read were almost unreadable due to the lichens and being worn down from rain, and other various reasons.  Thank you for retrieving that information for me to confirm what I had believed to be true... that is now two down and one to go---the name of her home that she resided in.  Perhaps that will be in the Bishops Transcripts!!.. .. Thank you again for your kindness, your expertise, and your help!!

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