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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Monday 09 January 12 20:00 GMT (UK)  »
I'm afraid it IS just another co-incidence. I entered that name very early in my researches, but found there were errors in my sources, and (I'm afraid) did not get back on here to correct it. The lady in question was, in fact, born Lettice Hubard Sharman. The "Hubard" is often mis-spelt in the sources, as "Huband". In fact, even now, I am not sure which is correct. Her mother's name was (at marriage) Lettice Hueband Smith, just to confuse the issue. Clearly a family name, but people seemed unsure of the spelling. However, I don't think ours can be connected with yours, as our "Huband/Hubards" were born/married in Bourne, Lincs., and Lettice married Thomas William Green 1900 at Bourne, but died sadly within two years, at Hutton Magna, Teesdale.

Just to lighten things up a bit - Mrs Lettice Green had a sister-in-law (I think) called Mrs Olive Green.

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Thursday 06 October 11 21:35 BST (UK)  »
I have never been able to spend more than a couple of hours in the village, but below I copy a note I have just sent to Richard Green (I will copy to website) re the topography of Hutton Magna. Am I right? [Of course, I cannot include here the map web address, but that will be no problem for you]

<<Not strictly concerning the Greens, especially as it concerns an era when they did not yet live at Hutton, I just found it interesting to compare the attached photo of Hutton from the air, with the map (link below). I had known from walking the track behind the church that there was evidence that the village had been partly "moved" (I would say almost certainly by the Robinsons (or their predecessors) of Hutton Hall), from very obvious field evidence (very clear on the photo). But I was not sure whether the field remains dated from, say, an outbreak of the plague, which might have decimated the village. But now I am sure that the Robinsons re-ordered the village (to improve their own view!), as you can see from the map that "Green Lane" takes a sudden eastward turn, then equally suddenly veers north, to the one-street village). The old Green Lane can beseen as a dotted-line track, leading to the Wycliffe road.

The church's position is interesting: I believe the old church was there too, so, presumably, in the middle ages, the church was to the east, rather than the west, of the village. From my cursory knowledge of the village, there are no houses earlier than, say, 1650, apart from Hutton Hall itself. So did the Robinsons do their bit of social engineering in the 17th century?>>

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Tuesday 04 October 11 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for this on behalf of my wife, Ann - descendant of Jane Green, born 1839, Hutton Magna. We will be following this closely. We did try to find the memorial garden last time we were in Hutton, not realising it was a project still in development.

Two recent findings by myself and a direct Green descendant. We know that the building of Winston Bridge, for Mr Robinson, was supervised by William Green, who was born in the Shotley area of Tynedale c. 1738, and that (we think) all the Greens of Hutton descend from him (and the Hodgson Greens were masons to the Constable family of Wycliffe Hall, notably Tommy Green, born 1802.).

But my "Green" contact tells me that there is a belief in the family that there is a connection with the important architect family, Greens of Newcastle (who originated around the same area). Can it be just a co-incidence that the suspension bridge at Whorlton - the next bridge on the Tees - built 50 years later, was built by John Green of that Newcastle family?

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Monday 22 November 10 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Thanks for that new info - all helps to get a complete picture.

I have two sons to them: William Hodgson Green c 1894 Keswick, and George Fleming Green c 1896, St Johns Vale (what a lovely place to be brought up). I have no further details, though. Which one was your grandfather?

I have noticed that, co-incidentally, there was another dynasty of Hodgson Greens, in Cumberland, which I presume had nothing to do with yours.

As I said, I have an almost complete Green Tree on my F.T. It is viewable on Genes Reunited, but if you're not on that, and have a GEDCOM family tree "at home", I can send you the details (at least I think I can) via email, if you let me have your email address. I've got them back to about 1745.

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Monday 22 November 10 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Yes, that's the H.G. I mean, but I have his wife as Jessie ALEXANDER. Yes, two sons. But in 1901 Jessie is working in a hotel in Croft, married, no sign of Hodgson. The boys are with Jessie's own family, also in Croft. After that - I find nothing. Did they emigrate, with Hodgson already absent in 1901, preparing the way?

William Green the policeman - I have him in Maryport. police sergeant. I have his wife's death, 1951 Maryport, but not his, William Green being too common a name! Have you got it?

Eric Green, unless I have got it badly wrong, was one of the last Greens to be still living in Hutton. Born 1942, died 1999, wife still lives at Hutton Farm. His gravestone is very clear in the churchyard.


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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Sunday 21 November 10 22:05 GMT (UK)  »
I'm pleased to see this topic revived. I have now got a pretty complete "tree" of "both sides" of the Green dynasty at Hutton Magna, although some of my additions post-1901 are a bit of a guess. One of the Hodgson Greens (1873) seems to "disappear" after about 1895, when he married Jessie Alexander. Have you any info on this? I gather you are descended from the Hodgson Greens. May I ask which line? I was in Hutton earler this year, and tried to find the "memorial garden" to Eric Green, but without success.

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Sunday 28 January 07 18:31 GMT (UK)  »
I'll have to think some more about that. 19th century equivalent of marriage bureaux? Farming mafia?

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Thursday 25 January 07 10:17 GMT (UK)  »
Sherlock1207 - thanks for the reply, & for the additional information, which I'll incorporate into our on-going history.

Yes, I got the "Hubbard" from the gravestone - we had a good look at the (well-kept!) group of graves a couple of years back. What puzzled me when researching this part of the family was - what was Thomas doing in lincolnshire? Have you anything on that?

My guess is that the Greens who were certainly still living in a "Green" house in Hutton very recently would be Thomas' family.

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Durham / Re: Green at Hutton Magna on Yorks/Durham border
« on: Thursday 25 January 07 00:04 GMT (UK)  »
I don't have anything to add as such, just to mention I think Lettice's middle name was HUBBARD. Also, I wonder how she felt as "Lettice Green" (I believe there was also an Olive in the family.)
Putting the question the other way round - have you yourself been able to find out more about the further history of this Green family? I do know that, at least until recently, Greens were still living in the village.
My wife is descended from a Green of Hutton Magna.
Murphicle

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