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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Sandra,

Re Tolson:  My immigrant ancestor, John Broadbent of Coldroyd (1795-1856; whose death is recorded on one of the Broadbent monuments in Kirkheaton), married (first) Ann Kilner.  Her parents were William and Dorothy (Tolson) Kilner, of Laverock Hall.  In turn, Dorothy Tolson Kilner was the daughter of Ephraim and Ann (Poole) Tolson, of Myers, Dalton Green.  The last-named couple were also the ancestors of the Tolsons who were prosperous manufacturers of Dalton; one of them, Legh Tolson, wrote the history of Kirkheaton Parish and gave the corporation the current Tolson Museum.  Ephraim Tolson was the son of John and Dorothy (Richardson) Tolson, also of Myers.

So yep! they were from Dalton.  Also, Ann (Kilner) Broadbent's sister Sarah married Joshua Tolson, of Dalton.

Thanks for asking!
TAD in USA

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Sandra,

Thanks very much!  It was very kind of you to keep me in mind.  I doubt that either of the James Broadbents you found in Kirkheaton was mine.  My records indicate that there were at least four James Broadbents in that vicinity at that time, and mine is supposed to have had around 7-9 acres at Coldroyd, which is definitely in Dalton.  The James who dwelt at Coldroyd was born in 1770 and died in 1840.  He married Ruth North, and they are indeed the ones for whom you found monument inscriptions.  I have those inscriptions from several different sources.  They appear to have succeeded Ruth's people at Coldroyd; that is, the Norths, who dwelt at Coldroyd for several generations.

As for Owlet/Hullet Hall:  I will try to attach a picture on which I have circled the house I think might have been Owlet Hall, given the info you previously posted.  Of the extant houses having Cold Royd Lane addresses, it is my understanding that (1) the place I think was Owlet Hall was wholly or partly demolished in the 20th century and replaced with the existing detached dwelling (although it looks as if it could be the remnants of the old building, just renovated); (2) the cottages on the left side, down a short lane near the intersection with Newland Road, were formerly called "Bank Side"; and (3) the old stone building on the right side as one ascends Cold Royd Lane, between the old railroad grade and Newland Road, is "Coldroyd," where the Norths and Broadbents (and later Kilners) dwelt.  If one looks across the meadows to the westward from Cold Royd Lane, the place down a short lane from Jagger Lane is what was formerly called "Laverock."  It was the home of William Kilner and afterwards his son Thomas Kilner.

Again, I appreciate your efforts very much.

TAD in USA

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Tuesday 19 July 11 19:49 BST (UK)  »
If you could check among the tenants for James Broadbent and William Kilner, I'd very much appreciate it. The Broadbents lived in Coldroyd; the Kilners, in Laverock Hall.
Thanks!
TAD in USA

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Sunday 10 July 11 15:05 BST (UK)  »
Please do.  And thanks again, Dobby.

Taddy.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Saturday 09 July 11 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks.  His name keeps popping up as an authority on WY surnames.  Glad to have his contact info.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Saturday 09 July 11 20:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dobby!

Thanks for the link.

Taddy.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Saturday 09 July 11 18:20 BST (UK)  »
@J.R.Ellam:

Thank you, sir.  I place a lot of confidence in "dobfarm," and he appears to place a lot in you.  So I value your input!  I think we are "on the same page" regarding Owlet Hall.

I am at a disadvantage, being so far distant from these interesting places.  The "Coldroyd" to which I refer is on the right as one goes uphill on Cold Royd Lane, and it is tucked in between the railroad grade and Newland Road.  Fortunately, it is a Grade II listed building.

Coldroyd seems to have lent its name to a hamlet after construction of the house(s) partway up the hill on the left, visible in the postcard view.  It is these (since demolished ??) which I suspect of being Owlet Hall.  (Compare "Lascelles Hall" the residence giving its name to Lascelles Hall the hamlet.)

By "navigable" I meant worthy of a motorcar's use.  From photos which relatives have taken of Cold Royd Lane and sent to me, I should be very reluctant to drive my car beyond Newland Road, although it is very inviting as a footpath.

Thanks also for the Bates cricket reference.  My third cousin, the late Maurice E. Broadbent, was not only very interested in family history but was, I think, also president of the Kirkheaton Cricket Club at one time.  He and Mr. Bates no doubt were acquainted if they were contemporaries.

And, finally, what is your opinion on any relationship between the present "Coule Royd" street in Dalton, Huddersfield, and our good old "Cold Royd Lane"?  I ask because of the XVI.- and XVII.-century references to the Norths, which sometimes list them as "of Coldroyd" (which fairly assures one that it is our family) and sometimes as "of Couleroyd" (which, until recently discovering the existence of Coule Royd street, I thought was a variant of "Coldroyd").

Thanks for your reply.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield
« on: Saturday 09 July 11 16:45 BST (UK)  »
Greetings all!

May a viewer from across the Pond weigh in on this?

I have read and re-read this thread, and I have a hunch that Owlet/Hullet Hall was the structure on the west side of the present Cold Royd Lane, immediately south of the former railroad grade.  It has been demolished and a new stone dwelling house erected in its stead.

My basis for this hunch arises from the lady's finding that the Howards were listed at Owlet Hall in 1841 and then Coldroyd in 1851. 

The old house most often referred to as "Coldroyd" (and now "Coldroyd Cottage" according to realty ads online) stands at the top of the present navigable part of Cold Royd Lane, on the east side.  It dates from no later than the XVIII. century (see Grade II listing per British Heritage), and it seems to have been a farmhouse originally.  My immigrant ancestor John Broadbent dwelt there until he came to USA in 1839, and his family (North-Broadbent-Kilner) seem to have occupied that location from an early date (maybe even XVI. century???) until around 1917.  These people were farmers as well as woollen manufacturers.  That eliminates that building as "Owlet Hall."

The place I surmise was either Owlet/Hullet Hall or its replacement seems to have been a newer structure, probably from the XIX. century, and it appears in the well-known postcard view showing a train crossing the bridge over Cold Royd Lane.  It seems plausible that, as these buildings were converted into multi-family dwellings, everything on the present Cold Royd Lane was enumerated as being in Coldroyd hamlet, and the Owlet/Hullet name disappeared.

Nearby, rather to the northwest, stands another ancestral hall, "Laverock," or "Laverock Hall"; but that seems to have a fairly well documented history under only that name. 

What think you who know these places much, much better than I?

From an Observer in the Antietam Country of Pennsylvania.

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Dobby, thanks for clarifying the Will thing.

As for turning off the North tap: It probably is that dratted genealogy gnome who is always vexing me.

 :-[

Taddy.

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