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The Common Room / Re: Attitude to marriage 1800s
« on: Thursday 01 October 20 14:50 BST (UK) »
Many thanks everyone! Stops the wee niggle got the wrong certificate! 
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The Common Room / Attitude to marriage 1800s
« on: Thursday 01 October 20 13:41 BST (UK) »
Hi!
Does anyone know what the attitude to a younger man marrying an older female was in England late 1800's? Was this frowned upon?
I have a marriage certificate which in everyway matches in with all other details for the male in question apart from his age is given as 23 when he would have been 18 (Census, birth cert etc evidences this). It was witnessed by parents so it's not that he didn't have permission to marry and was faking it.
One thing that came to mind, his bride (age etc all matches with what I have) is 22, he would be 18, it's marked down as 23 - would this be to seemingly marry as older than the bride or would this not have been an issue in 1889 England?
Hope that makes sense!
Thanks
Does anyone know what the attitude to a younger man marrying an older female was in England late 1800's? Was this frowned upon?
I have a marriage certificate which in everyway matches in with all other details for the male in question apart from his age is given as 23 when he would have been 18 (Census, birth cert etc evidences this). It was witnessed by parents so it's not that he didn't have permission to marry and was faking it.
One thing that came to mind, his bride (age etc all matches with what I have) is 22, he would be 18, it's marked down as 23 - would this be to seemingly marry as older than the bride or would this not have been an issue in 1889 England?
Hope that makes sense!
Thanks
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Monday 28 September 20 16:33 BST (UK) »At the time of his marriage and the death of his wife, Ernest Charles STEPHENS was an employee of J and W Bateman who were an old established firm of merchant shipowners in Western Australia. The company had many different arms.
I can find no further definite information about the man, but this may offer a hint.
1914
The role of a man named E C STEPHENS at J and W Bateman is handed to another, as STEPHENS "returns to a seafaring life"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/148134559
Sue
Can I ask where you found the info about Batemans?
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Monday 28 September 20 09:08 BST (UK) »
It would be interesting to know if there could be any significance attached to the choice of names for their daughter.
Nora Emily Augusta.
It may help us find the family of Ernest Charles
Perhaps Jock could say whether any are family names connected to Constance Ruth Mary's side.
Sue
Her mother was Emeline Stevens 1865 - 1914, chance she went as Emily?
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Monday 28 September 20 09:03 BST (UK) »At the time of his marriage and the death of his wife, Ernest Charles STEPHENS was an employee of J and W Bateman who were an old established firm of merchant shipowners in Western Australia. The company had many different arms.
I can find no further definite information about the man, but this may offer a hint.
1914
The role of a man named E C STEPHENS at J and W Bateman is handed to another, as STEPHENS "returns to a seafaring life"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/148134559
Sue
Thanks very much, very interesting!
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Monday 28 September 20 00:00 BST (UK) »Hi Neil - Constance and her daughter are together at Fremantle cemetery
Norah Emily Augusta Stephens
died 26 Dec 1913
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00004738
Constance Ruth Mercy Stephens
died 31 Aug 1913
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00004631
WA metropolitan cemeteries search
https://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/research
M
Thanks you!
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Sunday 27 September 20 23:15 BST (UK) »Funeral notice for Norah Emily Augusta STEPHENS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26893758
Adding: Funeral notice for Constance Ruth Mercy STEPHENS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26883910/2789519
Amazing also! I already had that clip from Sunday Times, quite cool
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Australia / Re: STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Sunday 27 September 20 23:14 BST (UK) »Hi Neil - Constance and her daughter are together at Fremantle cemetery
Norah Emily Augusta Stephens
died 26 Dec 1913
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00004738
Constance Ruth Mercy Stephens
died 31 Aug 1913
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00004631
WA metropolitan cemeteries search
https://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/research
M
That's brilliant, thanks!
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Australia / STEPHENS/ Ernest C Stephens, Nora E A Stephens 1913 Fremantle
« on: Sunday 27 September 20 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hi!
I have recently been trying to track down relatives of my great aunt who emigrated to Fremantle in 1913. I've found the information regarding the passage and arrival in Fremantle and her marriage and possible child. Family memories are that she emigrated to Australia, married and had a child, dying in childbirth but unknown if child survived or not.
I found documents for the following:
Birth and Baptism of Constance Ruth Mary Wilmott 1889
Constance emigrated to Fremantle, Western Australia 1912
Marriage of Ernest C Stephens to Constance R M Wilmot 1913 in Fremantle
Death of Constance R M Stephens 1913 in Fremantle
Birth of Nora E A Stephens 1913 in Fremantle
All the dates and locations fit in with what was known, although dates of marriage and child were thought to be later.
I can't find any other details regarding Nora in WA or other territories, would it be possible child died as well as mother? Would this be documented?
Any info regarding Ernest Stephens or Nora Stephens would be amazing! I'm no expert and probably missing obvious opportunities.
Many thanks
Neil
I have recently been trying to track down relatives of my great aunt who emigrated to Fremantle in 1913. I've found the information regarding the passage and arrival in Fremantle and her marriage and possible child. Family memories are that she emigrated to Australia, married and had a child, dying in childbirth but unknown if child survived or not.
I found documents for the following:
Birth and Baptism of Constance Ruth Mary Wilmott 1889
Constance emigrated to Fremantle, Western Australia 1912
Marriage of Ernest C Stephens to Constance R M Wilmot 1913 in Fremantle
Death of Constance R M Stephens 1913 in Fremantle
Birth of Nora E A Stephens 1913 in Fremantle
All the dates and locations fit in with what was known, although dates of marriage and child were thought to be later.
I can't find any other details regarding Nora in WA or other territories, would it be possible child died as well as mother? Would this be documented?
Any info regarding Ernest Stephens or Nora Stephens would be amazing! I'm no expert and probably missing obvious opportunities.
Many thanks
Neil