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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Marriage Cert - Occupation, Residence, Place, Witness - Completed
« on: Sunday 12 June 11 13:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Sunday 12 June 11 13:47 BST (UK)
For Wiggenhall St Mary the Virgin and East Winch, the nearest town is King's Lynn (sometimes referred to as just Lynn), which is about 15 miles east of Long Sutton. Wiggenhall St Mary the Virgin is about 4 miles SW of Lynn, and roughly 13 from Long Sutton. East Winch is about 5 miles SE of Lynn, so more like 20 from Long Sutton. Stowmarket is in Suffolk (between Ipswich and Bury St Edmunds) - something like 50-55 miles from Long Sutton, and maybe 40-45 from King's Lynn.

Arthur

Thank you so much Arthur.    ;D  I think I have the right Henry and Letitia then (as they were in Wiggenhall, not Stowmarket. 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Marriage Cert - Occupation, Residence, Place, Witness - Completed
« on: Saturday 11 June 11 22:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Saturday 11 June 11 20:07 BST (UK)
A little local knowledge goes a long way! And here's a bit more: Sutton St Mary and Long Sutton are the same place. (I know I'm adding this after you've marked it as completed, but I thought it might help.)

Arthur

Thank you Arthur.  ;D  That is wonderful and helps a lot.

I don't suppose you could tell me if Wiggenhall St Mary The Virgin, East Winch,  and Stowmarket are very far apart?  I am trying to discern which of the two Henry and Letitia Chinery's are Elizabeth, the bride's, parents.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Marriage Cert - Occupation, Residence, Place, Witness - Completed
« on: Saturday 11 June 11 04:54 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone.   ;D

How you managed to disover that said "Long Sutton" I'll never know, but I am very grateful.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Marriage Cert - Occupation, Residence, Place, Witness - Completed
« on: Saturday 11 June 11 01:55 BST (UK)  »
So, after some assistance from members here at Rootschat, I found the marriage certificate of my forebears, but I can hardly read it.  So my questions are as follows:

  • Where exactly where they married?
  • What was the occupation of Henry Chinery (Agricultural [Salesman/Labourer])?
  • Where were the happy couple residing (Sutton Cray?)?
  • And, finally, am I reading it write if I believe the witnesses to be William Cope and ?
  • Mary Ann Bowman? May Jane Bowman?







All help gratefully received.

Many thanks.

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Cambridgeshire Completed Lookups / Re: Where do I go from here? COMPLETED - WITH THANKS!
« on: Thursday 02 June 11 20:38 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Thursday 02 June 11 14:46 BST (UK)
I decided to check the 1861 to see if James was single at that time so I just searched on James b Cambridge** 1834 + - 2yrs then looked for dodgy spellings of Bowman

They don't come more dodgy than Bowruao !!

Indeed!   ;D :D ;D   

I must admit given how many records were returned for "James Bowman", "James Boman", etc. I would never have considered searching using his given name, date and place of birth alone - the prospect might have been too daunting.   Next time, I will give it a try though.   

Thanks again.   ;D

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Cambridgeshire Completed Lookups / Re: Where do I go from here?
« on: Thursday 02 June 11 01:42 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your suggestions.  I searched for Chinery, Chinnery, Elizabeth, Betsy, James, James Frank, Beauman, Bowmann, Boman, and all sorts of combinations, excluding and including information as I went.  I investigated over 100 pages of searches individually on ancestry.   I had his father's name, Henry Christian Bowman to aid me in my search, but this also led me nowhere.   :-\

It was in sheer desperation I turned to the experts here at Rootschat, because I just couldn't find it.  I really just can't figure out how people here can find these records, but I am very, very grateful you can.   ;D

Thank you folks, I am off to purchase the certificate and find out more about her parents now.   :D

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Cambridgeshire Completed Lookups / Re: Where do I go from here?
« on: Thursday 02 June 11 01:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Thursday 02 June 11 00:10 BST (UK)
Per freebmd

Marriages March qtr 1861  
James Bowman   Holbeach  7a 415    
Elizabeth Chinery

How the hell did I miss that?    Thank you so much for this.

Quote from: CaroleW on Thursday 02 June 11 00:04 BST (UK)
The 1871 census shows James as a plumbers labourer - not a coachman

They are mis-transcribed in 1861 as Bowruao and living in Warwickshire so any marriage may be pre-1861

James 27 labourer b Wisbech
Elizabeth 23 b ??Saddlebow Norfolk
RG9 Piece 2201 Folio 87 Page 19

Thank you for this.

So, now my question is: what am I doing wrong?  Why, after hours and hours of trying over several weeks, could I not find these records?   What should I have searched for?

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Cambridgeshire Completed Lookups / Where do I go from here? COMPLETED - WITH THANKS!
« on: Wednesday 01 June 11 23:44 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find a marriage certificate for James Frank Bowman (b. 1833 or 1838 - Wisbeach, Cambs) and Elizabeth Chinnery (b. abt 1837 - Lynn, Norfolk).  Elizabeth Chinery is listed as "Betsy Bowman" on the census of 1871; however she is noted as Elizabeth Chinnery on her first daugther's birth certificate issued in 1864.

The family appear to have moved to Bethnal Green, but I can't say when.  James is a private coachman (on his daughter's birth certificate in 1864), so I might presume both were servants prior to marriage.   

I have full access to all the indexes on ancestry and I've tried searching on the LDS Family Search site to no avail, i.e. there doesn't appear to be any official record of James and Elizabeth marrying, though his second marriage to Frances Ann Bray was easily obtained.   They are the victims of a horrible mis-transcription which I am unable to unravel or just told everyone they were married, but they weren't, which would be odd given James Frank Bowman is listed as a widower on his second marriage certificate.

My question is:  If I have exhausted searches at ancestry and LDS, where do I go from here in trying to locate a marriage certificate? 

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Wills and Probates for Northern Territory
« on: Tuesday 31 May 11 19:53 BST (UK)  »
I should just like to mention how wonderfully helpful the people of the Northern Territory are, as are the kind people here at RootsChat.   I spoke to the registrar of BMD in Darwin, who kindly read out the certificate to me (I am purchasing it, too) and she then gave me a telephone number for the people who look after the cemetery, who found the records for my great-grandfather and offered to take a photograph and send it to me.

I also spoke to someone at the supreme court who is going to try and locate the records for me.   And, thanks to craizi daizi, I also found the notice from the public trustee asking for beneficiaries, creditors, etc. to come forward, which was not published nationally, meaning neither my grandfather nor his sister would have been aware of my great grandfather's death or that his estate was in the hands of the public trustee.

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