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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Saturday 20 March 21 17:40 GMT (UK)  »
Very much willing, PM away!

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Saturday 20 March 21 14:27 GMT (UK)  »
Oh right, I thought you already knew because we traded gedmatch Kit numbers.

To be fair, when doing the comparison, you need to reduce the cM number to get our matches but you did indeed match myself and my mother.

To do this I went to the "GEDmatchฎ Autosomal One-to-one Comparison - V1.0"

Reduced the cM: "Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM"

I will send you my mothers kit number also.


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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Saturday 20 March 21 01:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Paul (Olden Times) I definitely want an accurate tree so for now at least I've scrapped the Browne and up section of my tree.

For general information, I do share a distant DNA match with dukewm and it seems the shared ancestor is likely from the first generation of Downing to come to Ireland.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 19:26 GMT (UK)  »
A cut n paste from my tree for the children of Maj. John Downing:
I don't have my references right now, will try to find asap.

Richard William Downing Rev
1665–1708

Elizabeth Downing
1666–

Elizabeth Downing
1667–

Robert Downing
1669–

Thomas Downing
1669–

Catherine Downing
1671–

Sara Downing
1673–

Frances Downing
1675–

Maria Downing
1676–

Susanna Downing
1678–

Rachel Downing
1680–

Martha Downing
1682–1755

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: dukewm on Tuesday 26 January 21 17:45 GMT (UK)
my (supposed) 10th great grandfather was Lt. John Downinge (1571-1629), father of Capt. John who married Catherine Browne.
Surely, if Lt. John Downinge (1571-1629) is your 10th great grandfather and at the same time my 10th great grandfather that would be our first common ancestor in this line.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 18:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: dukewm on Tuesday 26 January 21 17:58 GMT (UK)
In reply to Sir Rob's Reply # 60,

And, to reiterate, Catherine Browne was certainly born much sooner than 1627, because her son, Maj. John was certainly born about 1634.  So I would guess she married Capt. John about 1632 or 1633.
I believe she was probably born about 1610, give or take 2 years or so.

As far as challenging the info I have I welcome it as I often come across mistakes, some major ones.

Catherine Browne in my tree is listed with :BIRTH BEF. 1627

But when copying this over here it appears to claim she was born in 1627 specifically.

Similarly, I had Maj. John Downing as being born "before 1645" in my tree and not during.

Maybe I should add those important details to the previous post.

I have various notes attached to names along the lines of "before" "after" "not confirmed" etc, forever a work in progress. I will go over your last post and check some more things out.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 01:46 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: dukewm on Monday 25 January 21 18:25 GMT (UK)
Part 3

UPDATE: in May of 2018, during my visit to Ireland, I toured the areas in Counties Tipperary and Waterford where Lt. John and his descendants lived.
I walked the south bank of the River Blackwater on lands adjacent to St. Mary's Abbey and came to the conclusion that Catherine Downinge (nee Travers), widow of Lt. John,
crossed the river just upstream of the abbey where two tributaries enter the river opposite each other, which would create a shallow ford by virtue of sediments
washed into the river on both sides. It was there, in the old "peppers orchard" that Tibbot Butler's men tracked her down and "stab'd & cutt her till she died" in 1642.
The sister historian at St. Mary's confirmed there was an old orchard behind (upstream of) the abbey.

We live a 40 minute drive from here (other side of Lismore) and once this 5km lockdown is over and the weather improves I hope to poke around this and many other locations.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Monday 25 January 21 23:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: dukewm on Monday 25 January 21 18:21 GMT (UK)

One of the jesters was employed by the regional magnate, Donough O'Brien, 4th Earl of Thomond, and the other by the County Clare Knight,
Sir John MacNamara.  The hangings enraged Thomond, MacNamara and other Gaelic leaders, but also alarmed senior crown officials such as
Sir John Davies, the Solicitor General, and Sir Nicholas Walsh, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas.  Within days, Thomond had Downing indicted of treason on charges of murder.

This part jumped out at me because, if correct, Lt. John Downings son later married Donough O'Briens great granddaughter Catherine Brown:

Donough O'Brien 4th Earl of Thomond and Baron of Ibrickan 1550-1624 (my 12th great-grandfather and descendant of Brian Boru)

Margaret O'Brien Lady
Daughter of Donough O'Brien 4th Earl of Thomond and Baron of Ibrickan

Julia McCarthy 1575-1633
Daughter of Margaret O'Brien Lady

Catherine Browne 1627-
Daughter of Julia McCarthy

If true it would make a nice little addition to the story.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Sherrington Parish Registers - DOWNING (DOWNYNG), 16th century
« on: Monday 25 January 21 23:26 GMT (UK)  »
In reply to dukewm

Thanks for such a quick response, unexpected as this thread had gone quiet.
I have leaned much from this thread and your latest posts contain plenty for me to absorb.

As for my link to the Downings, I struggled for years to even go back the first few generations from here in Ballinamult to Lismore but DNA tests and Ancestry have confirmed those links and beyond.

I came across a pedigree for Rev. Pierce William Drew on other peoples ancestry trees that traced back to Edward I through the Downings but didn't take it too seriously at the time as we hadn't done the DNA tests yet.

My version of this pedigree:

Edward I Plantagenet King 1239-1307
23rd great-grandfather

Elizabeth of Rhuddlan Countess consort of Holland 1282-1316 - Daughter of Edward I Plantagenet King

Eleanor de Bohun Countess of Ormonde 1304-1363 - Daughter of Elizabeth of Rhuddlan Countess consort of Holland

James Butler 2nd Earl of Ormond 1331-1382 - Son of Eleanor de Bohun Countess of Ormonde

James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond 1359-1405 - Son of James Butler 2nd Earl of Ormond

Richard Butler Sir of Polestown 1395-1443 - Son of James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormond

Edmund MacRichard Butler Sir of Polestown 1420-1464 - Son of Richard Butler Sir of Polestown

James Butler Sir of Polestown -1487 - Son of Edmund MacRichard Butler Sir of Polestown

Piers Butler 8th Earl of Ormond 1467-1539 - Son of James Butler Sir of Polestown

Helen Butler -1597 - Daughter of Piers Butler 8th Earl of Ormond

Conor Groibleach (Long Nailed) O'Brien 3rd Earl of Thomond 1535-1591 - Son of Helen Butler

Donough O'Brien 4th Earl of Thomond and Baron of Ibrickan 1550-1624 - Son of Conor Groibleach (Long Nailed) O'Brien 3rd Earl of Thomond

Margaret O'Brien Lady - Daughter of Donough O'Brien 4th Earl of Thomond and Baron of Ibrickan

Julia McCarthy 1575-1633 - Daughter of Margaret O'Brien Lady

Catherine Browne BEFORE 1627- - Daughter of Julia McCarthy

John Downing Maj. 1645-1692 - Son of Catherine Browne

Martha Downing 1682-1755 - Daughter of John Downing Maj.

William Garde Esq 1702-1791 - Son of Martha Downing

John Garde -1809 - Son of William Garde Esq

William Garde 1785-1845 - Son of John Garde

Mary Garde 1815-1900 - Daughter of William Garde

Henry Edward Fitzgerald 1855-1921 - Son of Mary Garde

Catherine (Kitty) Miller 1901-1988 - Daughter of Henry Edward Fitzgerald

William Tobin 1925-1950 - Son of Catherine (Kitty) Miller

PRIVATE - Daughter of William Tobin

Myself - Robert Thomas Corrigan

We have confirmed back to William Garde Esq (my 6th great-grandfather)
BIRTH 1702 • of Broomfield and Ballinacurra, Ireland
DEATH 23 MAY 1791 • Buried at Cloyne, Ireland

Son of Martha Downing (youngest daughter? of Maj. John Downing 1645-1692)
1682–1755
BIRTH 1682 • Broomfield, Monaghan, Ireland
DEATH MAR 1755 • Cork, Cork, Ireland

Via DNA matches shared by at least 7 people so far.

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