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Lanarkshire / Re: Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)
« on: Sunday 26 January 20 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Skoosh. if they have the surname birnie browne then they are probably descendants of Birnie Browne's Second son Colonel Birnie Browne 1796-1855 who died in Peshawar in what was then India.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)
« on: Sunday 19 January 20 15:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Sancti!

He does eventually move his family to Morpeth and dies in 1825.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)
« on: Saturday 18 January 20 23:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you camhenham.

That helps to clear it up. for your 4th GGM Elizabeth, the Scots Magazine of Mar 1, 1808 listed for Feb 21, at Edinburgh, in the 21st year of her age, deeply lamented by her family and friends, Mrs Elizabeth Campbell Hamilton, of Dalserf and Milnburn, wife of Robert Campbell Hamilton.

i guess they used the day (21st) also as her age hence my confusion about her age.

Birnie Browne also lived at Dalserf house as the Caledonian Mercury of 23 Oct 1790 under Game Duty for Lanark lists Birnie Browne, Esq. residing at Dalserf House.

James Birnie from the appendix of the book House of the Hamilton's
age 465 Captain James Birnie Hamilton of Broomhill, Dalserf & Milburn in 1796, excluding his eldest son Birnie Browne, formerly an officer in the Royal Scots Fusileers, and subsequently a wine merchant in Leith, who died at Morpeth in Northumberland, 1825, devised the two latter estates to his other children: 1st James Hamilton, Esq of Dalserf and Milburne, who died shortly after his father. 2ndly, To Margaret, who married Colonel Irving, and died without issue. 3d, Elizabeth, married to Colonel Campbell Hamilton, and died leaving four children, of whom two survive. The eldest son of the above-named Birnie Browne, so excluded, James Hamilton Browne, was however nominated in the entail after the afore-mentioned Elizabeth Hamilton and her issue. Birnie Browne married Grace Catherine Cresswell, first born twin-daughter, and co-heiress of John Cresswell, Esq of Cresswell-Hall in Northumberland, representative of that very ancient family.

The Broomhill property, according to a previous settlement, devolved on the demise of Captain James Birnie Hamilton, upon Mrs. Mitchelson (Katherine Birnie daughter of Alexander Birnie),  his niece, relict of Samuel Mitchelson, Esq of Clement, on of the principle Clerks of Session.

i was unware of Barbara and can only assume she died before James did.

thanks once again for this information! i am a descendant of James Hamilton Browne and James Birnie Hamilton through his son Birnie.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)
« on: Saturday 04 January 20 03:14 GMT (UK)  »
thanks for the new information. Yes James Birnie's maternal side was a branch of the Hamilton's and he also married Margaret Hamilton heiress of Dalserf on 09 Sep 1753 in Midlothian. As his elder brother, Alexander owned Broomhill, ownership reverted to Alexander's daughter Katherine who married Samuel Mitchelson after James dies on 22 April 1796.

what i am struggling with is James 4 children.

Birnie Browne born about 1765 in Dalserf
James Hamilton born about 1768 died about 1798
Margaret Hamilton born about 1780 deceased by 1808
and Elizabeth Hamilton born about 1787 died 21 Feb 1808 married Robert Campbell on 24 May 1803 and had a child James Campbell Hamilton born 01 Nov 1807 died 16 Feb 1869 at Dalserf.

what i would like more information about Birnie Browne and his siblings above. ie assuming the Hamilton siblings are Margaret's but the dates dont seem to quite work.

i have all the information about his father but do not know where the Brown(e) comes into the picture.  The other children seem to be born late for someone who was married in 1753.


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Lanarkshire / Re: Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)
« on: Sunday 18 August 19 01:45 BST (UK)  »
hi thanks for posting. I have been able to trace most of Elizabeth Hamilton's family but know little about her. James Birnie Hamilton married Margaret Hamilton in 1753, and i found a record for Elizabeth dying 21 Feb 1808 at age 21. given Margaret her mum was born about 1737 i am trying to reconcile the dates. would you have any additional info on her or her sibings James and Margaret?

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Westmeath / Re: Byrne family Sallowgrove Nr Athlone
« on: Saturday 06 December 14 06:31 GMT (UK)  »
Found Charles Byrne on Familysearch.org baptized in 1842 to Edward Byrne & Catherine Shelly...Think this is the correct one..Typo is Shelly instead of Kelly.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5LM-LLY

Regards

Gary

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Westmeath / Re: Byrne family Sallowgrove Nr Athlone
« on: Friday 05 December 14 23:39 GMT (UK)  »
Also about the Lovell Connection, Hiram's mother is Elizabeth Cox and she has a brother Thomas White Cox who married Catherine Lovell. Emma must be related to her.

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Westmeath / Re: Byrne family Sallowgrove Nr Athlone
« on: Friday 05 December 14 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
I am researching the Edwards family for my Dad's Cousin who married John Edwards a descendant of Hiram Edwards.

One bit of information that may help is that the inscriptions on the back of the family coat of arms has Elizabeth Ann Jones as the daughter of Louisa Edwards & John James Jones. I have yet to find any info on her just her brother William Henry and sister Fanny Edwards Jones.

Louisa is Hiram's sister so its very possible Elizabeth Ann Jones married a relative of her Aunt Catherine Mary Byrne.  It says Hiram married Catherine Mary (Kate) Byrne third daughter of Edward Byrne J.P. of Sallow Snova, county Roscommon.

Really glad to have found this thread..

Gary

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Northumberland / Re: ADDISON - Woodhorn 1778
« on: Monday 10 November 14 01:40 GMT (UK)  »
I also see a John Addison baptized 21 Dec 1783 at Woodhorn, Northumberland to parents John & Mary. FHL Film Number:    95031

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