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Cheshire / Re: the oakes family from cheshire-any ROSE or PARROT in your tree?
« on: Saturday 24 January 15 08:24 GMT (UK)  »
Many of Ralph/ Mary Trelfa descendants moved to Liverpool long before Daniel was born, some via Backford, some via Middlewich and via London.
As an example, you can see son, John's marriage to Ann Cumberland in Toxteth in 1785 and his death at Walton on the Hill in 1812 on Lancs Parish Clerk site. ( it says his parents are Ralph Oakes and Mary Trelford!).
Following all the descendants has involved a massive undertaking with a multi pronged approach using FindMyPast, Church Registers, Wills and Ancestry and could not be done without help from a co-worker.
Ralph's father was John and he is a product of his second marriage, the other children from his first marriage.
How much does a FTDNA cost? Looking at the site, it seems costly and your result not very informative.

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Cheshire / Re: the oakes family from cheshire-any ROSE or PARROT in your tree?
« on: Friday 23 January 15 19:14 GMT (UK)  »
No, Ralph's father was born in 1658, his father in 1620 and his father around 1600.

Ralph and Mary Trelfa moved to Backford around 1770  with all of their children, except Thomas.
And some of their descendants returned to Middlewich where most children were baptised, others then moved to Liverpool City centre.

I understand from a co- worker, that Mary Holland's parents were Daniel (1678) and Elizabeth Downes and his parents, Johann and Sara Cooke, though I have not seen documented evidence.

Can you say more about the DNA testing, it is potentially ground breaking in the hands of top class researchers.

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Cheshire / Re: the oakes family from cheshire-any ROSE or PARROT in your tree?
« on: Friday 23 January 15 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
I have extensively looked at the tree commencing with Ralph Oak es/ Mary Holland and how it has branched out and migrated throughout the UK but there is no evidence of the involvement of people with names Parrot or Rose.

I note that Wally says a 12 marker match is worthless, and my endeavours are not inconsistent with what Wally says; however, I cannot comment on the rigour of DNA analyses.

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Cheshire / Re: the oakes family from cheshire-any ROSE or PARROT in your tree?
« on: Friday 23 January 15 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
I have extensively looked at the tree commencing with Ralph Oakes/ Mary Holland and how it has branched out and migrated throughout the UK but there is no evidence of the involvement of people with names Parrot or Rose.

I note that Wally says a 12 marker match is worthless, and my endeavours are not inconsistent with what Wally says; however, I cannot comment on the rigour of DNA analyses.

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Herefordshire / Re: any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??
« on: Wednesday 06 July 11 10:01 BST (UK)  »
And does it connect her with Backford?
And is Thomas who married Mary Cawley her son?

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Herefordshire / Re: any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??
« on: Tuesday 05 July 11 20:41 BST (UK)  »
Allan,

regarding Mary Oakes's Will (Cranage 1808), I note:

my 3x great grandfather's (John 1784) parents, Thomas Oakes/ Mary Cawley (married 4th Nov 1783, St Wilfrid's, Davenham) were resident in Davenport (Cheshire Parish Records), which is very close to Cranage!

So, is it Mary Trelfa's Will?

Note, I mention a relative who has been invaluable in above posts, so I would like to credit her, my neighbour, too, you Allan and other forum contributors who have helped to construct my (partial) tree, as I currently understand it.

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Herefordshire / Re: any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??
« on: Friday 01 July 11 09:49 BST (UK)  »
Yes, it was 211 Leda Street (or something like it).

James was listed as Postman.

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Herefordshire / Re: any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??
« on: Friday 01 July 11 05:04 BST (UK)  »
Quite possibly adds to your hypothesis about Oakes's moving to Backford.

Incidently, I also picked up in the 1891 census for West Derby, a James Oakes (aged 39) from Middlewich with wife, Isabella (aged 35) from West Derby, Liverpool. There were 5 children, Emily (18), Margaret (9), James (2), Samuel (1) and Percy  (<1), all born West Derby.

Do you know about them?

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Herefordshire / Re: any help with these ladies who all married a "merrick" from norton canon??
« on: Thursday 30 June 11 11:56 BST (UK)  »
Allan,

This is how I think the two Johns are related:
We start with a John Oakes, a brickmaker of Ways Green, born in 1771 and died around 1850.
He had two brothers, William (2nd June 1776) and Thomas (1781)

John had 3 sons:
Thomas (1797), died 1879 aged 82   Joseph (20th Sept 1795)  John  (6th Oct 1799)

Thomas (1797) married Ann Brown 20th June 1819 in Over, Cheshire.  Ann was born on 13 May 1794 in Davenham, Cheshire, was christened on 29 Jun 1794 in Davenham, Cheshire, and died in 1878 aged 84.
They had several children, the first two being Thomas (1820) died 1884
and JOHN (1827) died about 1860.

This is the John that married Mary Brooke.
The other John was the son of Thomas (1781)

The latter John was uncle to the John who married Mary Brooke.

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