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Technical Help / Re: Family Tree Maker 2014 - Person Notes window
« on: Thursday 25 August 16 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Very many thanks, Jomot, for clearing up that query :)

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Technical Help / Family Tree Maker 2014 - Person Notes window
« on: Thursday 25 August 16 16:25 BST (UK)  »
Could a user of Family Tree Maker 2014 answer a question for me, please?

At YouTube there's an Ancestry video about the use of Notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-khF_sAdM

I'm particularly asking about the Person Notes when accessed from the Tree-view tab, when the note opens in a separate popup window for adding/editing -- see at about 2:00 in the clip where the Notes tab is clicked first and then at 2:09 a button appearing beneath opens it up in the new window.

I can see that at the top right corner of the separate Person Notes window the only control is an X to close it again (in other words, no Minimize or Restore buttons as in the common "set of three" seen for the main FTM programme window visible behind).

I'd like to know if this separate Notes window can nevertheless be varied in size and/or shape by dragging its corners or sides? In some programmes additional popup windows like this can be stretched or reduced any which-way by dragging the borders (i.e. cursor will change to a double-headed arrow around the edges), but in others they're a fixed size and can't be. Which type is this, please?

Thank you.

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Flintshire / Works on River Dee, Connah's Quay - ca 1874
« on: Monday 14 November 11 05:16 GMT (UK)  »
My g-grandfather was Thomas David ROBERTS, a civil/railway engineer, born near Llangollen in 1832. He served his articles under Benjamin Piercy, then during the course of his career worked his way down through mid- to south Wales, where he ended up in Newport as Divisional Engineer for GWR.

In February 1875 he successfully applied for the post of Resident Engineer with the Monmouthshire Railway & Canal Company, and this is an extract from his letter of application:

Latterly I have been superintending works of considerable importance for shipping purposes on the River Dee, at Connah's Quay, Chester.

The applicant/interview notes about him by someone at the MR&CC also say: "Superintending construction of Works on River Dee for Connah's Quay."

So construction appears to have been involved, but it's not clear if the use of "works" means a works (a specific building or series of buildings?), maybe to do with the docks; or whether the use of "works" means something like a project, development or improvement, perhaps to do with navigation or somesuch of the Dee. It's just possible it could have been to do with the river in some way, because in his letter he goes on to say:
Last year I was commissioned to proceed to South America to report to the Government of the U. S. of Colombia upon, and suggest plans for, the improvement of the River Magdalena,
so he evidently did that sort of thing too. But I've no idea what he could be referring to on the Dee  ???

Does anyone have knowledge of the history and development of the Dee/docks/facilities at Connah's Quay, who could help at all? Any suggestions about what these "works of considerable importance" would have been at that time? Sounds like it was around 1874, and (as the MR&CC's note is in the present tense) perhaps continued into 1875.

Many thanks!

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Monmouthshire / Family of Thomas Roberts - Malpas/Newport
« on: Friday 21 October 11 03:04 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for information and background in connection with my great-grandfather and his family. Thomas David ROBERTS was a civil/railway engineer who was involved with or built/supervised/maintained several of the mid/south Wales railways. He was born in Denbighshire in 1832 and wasn't christened with the David middle name, but in census from 1861 onwards and in everything else seen since then he's been T D, Thomas D or Thomas David Roberts.

Through the course of his life he worked down through mid-Wales and Brecon to Newport, where he died in 1901. He was appointed Resident Engineer to the Monmouthshire Railway & Canal Company in 1875, then when GWR absorbed this he ended up as Divisional Engineer with GWR.

I know a reasonable amount about him, including details of the railways he was involved with (mainly from a short bio published in Newport in 1897, Contemporary Portraits & Biographies), but key details are still missing so I'll probably have various questions in case anyone can kindly help, but will start with properties.

It would be great if someone who knows the area can say I'm wrong, but having compared an old OS map with a modern one, it looks as if a place where TDR and family lived in the 1880s no longer exists.

It was at Malpas and called The Grove (see image), on the banks of the Usk on a big bend, but it seems from a satellite image it's probably somewhere under a dual carriageway (A4024) by now, unless it's hiding in the trees. Does anyone have knowledge of this property, or be able to say when it 'went'? I was hoping it was still there and some day to get a photo -- better still, maybe even unearth an old one -- but from the modern map it doesn't look promising. The family was there in the 1881C, though at a guess they probably didn't own it.

By 1891 they were at Penrallt, Banally(?) Road, St Woolos, and in 1901 the address is 35 Stow Park Avenue, Newport. A 1901 directory lists him at Penrallt, Stow Park Avenue, so with the same house name is it likely this is the same property as in 1891? Was Stow Park Avenue called by the other road name originally and be described as St Woolos? (I do see the St Woolos hospital nearby on a modern map).

I've "driven along" the road with Google street maps and found a house numbered 35, but would the numbering be the same over 100 years later?

Any help appreciated :)

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Denbighshire / Re: Kyrkes at Gwersyllt
« on: Sunday 05 June 11 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi all

More on DORA VENABLES KYRKE, daughter of Richard3 Venables Kyrke.

Extracted from Visitations of Ireland, 1973: selected previews available at Google Books:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zpR6uNPmV1EC

Marriage: Joseph Edward Deane-Drake, 29 Jun 1882, at Christ Church, Bwlchgwyn.
Death: 20 Aug 1904, at Stokestown House, co. Wexford.
Buried: 24 Aug 1904 at New Ross, co. Wexford.

Children:
1. Emily Frances Deane-Drake, b. 7 Jun 1883
Married Arthur Isaac Tyndall of Oaklands, co. Wexford, 2 Jun 1909, at St Mary's, New Ross, co. Wexford.

2. Cecil John Venables Deane-Drake, b. 30 Mar 1887
Entered the Army as 2nd Lieutenant Royal Munster Fusiliers 8 Feb 1908, and was promoted Lieutenant 1 Mar 1910.

Lineage of the Deane-Drakes is on pp 112-113 (includes details of the marriage + births of the 2 children) + p158 (Dora's death) + p352 (further details of Emily and Cecil).

NB: these are the online Google page numbers, not those from the publication itself -- search inside the book for Deane-Drake and they'll be highlighted to go straight there.

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Denbighshire / Re: Kyrkes at Gwersyllt
« on: Sunday 05 June 11 05:41 BST (UK)  »
             1)RICHARD HENRY VENABLES KYRKE (1821-1896), who married twice and seems to have
                   had only one child EVELYN ANNE/ANNIE VENABLES KYRKE (1883-1948), who
                   married John Spottiswoode.

John Spottiswoode (originally John Herbert) evidently had quite a colourful life, according to this thread:
http://www.crossandcockade.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=359&PID=1158
Also in his marriages, as the one to Evelyn was dissolved and he promptly remarried to her cousin Hilda Marjorie, daughter of Arthur Venables Kyrke -- or Hylda as she apparently spelled it by then.

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           10)GEORGE ALBERT KYRKE (born about 1850 France and died Jun qtr 1923 in Hackney.
                      He's in the 1871 and later censuses, but can't find him in 1861 when many of the
                      rest of family are back in UK.

He's boarding with his father + brother Edmund in Montgomeryshire in 1861.

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Denbighshire / Re: Kyrkes at Gwersyllt
« on: Saturday 04 June 11 18:29 BST (UK)  »
e) there's an Ellen Kyrke, born about 1864 in Liverpool, school teacher, unmarried, who appears in the 1901 census visiting her brother Alfred Chresholm in Great Cosby, and he was born in Scotland.  Apart from not knowing why she and her brother don't have the same surname, does anyone know if she fits into the family?

As you say, the household as shown makes little sense: how can an unmarried Alfred Chresholm (b. Scotland) and an unmarried Ellen Kyrke be siblings? One explanation could be they had different mothers, and maybe that's the simple answer here, but it leaves us with an Ellen Kyrke b. ca 1864 who we've yet to place. Or she's been misenumerated as 'sister' instead of perhaps 'visitor', and they're not related at all, but that still leaves us with an EK unaccounted for.

Or does it? There's no way to prove it, but I just have a feeling this may well be Elinor Jane, dau of Richard2 Venables Kyrke and Jane; but in the process of being transcribed by the enumerator into the schedules her details have been mangled.

Her age is wrong, 37 instead of 57, but we often see 5s misread/substituted for 3s (and v/v) when transcribed, and it would have been no different back then. Ellen instead of Elinor: well, shortened or pet names often crop up in census as we know. Birthplace is Liverpool instead of Isle of Man, but again we often see wide variations through census, often clearly in error or in haste -- it happens in transcriptions today and was probably just as likely then too. It certainly stretches imagination that so many errors could attach to one person, but it's far from being the the only instance I've come across where it's happened. On the plus side, she has the right occupation and is in the right place.

In 1891 Elinor is with her sister Mary on Blundellsands Road, Great Crosby. In 1901 Mary is still there, though she's in a part called Blundellsands Road East. "Ellen" and Alfred Chresholm are on Blundellsands Road West, so apparently the same road but a distance apart.

I feel there's a reasonable chance Elinor and Mary were still living together, but either Elinor was visiting Alfred Chresholm on census night, or for some reason there was an even bigger c***-up when filling in the schedules and her details may have been partially combined or swapped with another individual so she's ended up in the wrong household altogether. Who knows -- maybe all the forms got dropped in the middle of the enumerator transcribing them, they weren't put back in the right order, he was up against the clock, had lost his place, and got comletely mixed up? OK, maybe that's pushing imagination much too far! -- but transcribers/enumerators would have been no more perfect or infallible than we are, and "stuff happens".

We should be sceptical, but until we can prove otherwise I feel "Ellen" might be Elinor. It's a pity the two sisters aren't actually seen together in 1911, but I think they probably were still living together. Elinor's on her own at Stroud (private governess retired), and Mary's in the same place (retired governess) but visiting another household: that of Fanny Sheldon, unmarried, age 51 or 57, b. Hoylake.

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Denbighshire / Re: Kyrkes at Gwersyllt
« on: Thursday 02 June 11 07:28 BST (UK)  »
Oooo, that's all going to take some thinking time  ;D
But for now....


a) there's a Frederick Kyrke born in Wrexham district in Jun qtr 1841.  Is he another son to Richard and Jane?

I'm fairly sure he must be, but he escapes census. I don't find any of them around in 1851 when maybe the family was in France, and then by 1861 when Frederick would have been about 19/20ish I think he could have gone to Australia, where I've just found this marriage at Ancestry:

Name: Frederick Kyrke
Father's name: Richard Kyrke
Spouse Name: Ellen Sennott
Spouse's Father's Name:   John Sennott
Marriage Date:   9 Feb 1873
Marriage Place: Port Augusta
Registration Place: Frome, South Australia
Page Number: 362
Volume Number: 94

The only thing is he clashes slightly with brother Vernon's estimated birth-year, but there is "room for both" if Vernon was born in 1840, though it means Amelia, Vernon and Frederick were born in pretty quick succession.

If you noticed, there was already an Australian mention in the 1871C for eldest brother William who's enumerated as "Farmer in Austraila" [sic] -- maybe that's where he (William) disappeared back to and why we don't see him later. But he reappears in 1911, boarding at South Croydon aged 78, unmarried, b. Denbighshire, and described as "Old age pensioner".

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c) who's the Mary A Kyrke born and died Dec qtr 1866 in Clerkenwell, London?  Is it the first child of James Arnold and Maria??

Hadn't spotted her, but there seems a good chance she was, as in the 1871C they're living in the Clerkenwell civil parish.

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e) there's an Ellen Kyrke, born about 1864 in Liverpool, school teacher, unmarried, who appears in the 1901 census visiting her brother Alfred Chresholm in Great Cosby, and he was born in Scotland.  Apart from not knowing why she and her brother don't have the same surname, does anyone know if she fits into the family?

I came across this too and have a theory (sort of!), but need to check my notes to unravel it again - will post again.

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Denbighshire / Re: Kyrkes at Gwersyllt
« on: Wednesday 01 June 11 15:50 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know when Richard Venables Kyrke (that was born in 1792) die?
I also have him marrying Harriet Jones  in ? and marrying Jane Frances Horseman in 1832.
How many children did he have with each wife?

I can`t him find yet, but The Wrexham Advertiser,(Saturday, June 17, 1871
has this.
Death
On the 6th inst at Hoylake aged 63 Jane Frances relict of the late Richard Venables Kyrke Esq late of Summerhill . Wrexham

I think it's probably this result:
Richard Kyrke, age 76, 1868 Mar qtr, Wirral, Vol 8a, p286

With Harriet Ann Jones so far I've only found Richard Venables Kyrke (b. abt 1822) as a child. Harriet was apparently still living in 1823.

With Jane I think these, though it may not be a complete list:
William Henry, abt 1833 (d. 1922 Mar qtr, Croydon district)
Edmund, abt 1837
Amelia Frances, 1839 Sep qtr
Vernon, abt 1841 in France
Elinor Jane, bapt. 1 Mar 1843, Isle of Man
James Arnold, abt 1845 in France (d. 1931 Mar qtr, Croydon district) - had a large family
Mary Isabella, abt 1847 in France (d. 1933 Mar qtr, Cirencester district)
George Albert, abt 1850 in France (d. 1923 Jun qtr, Hackney district)

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