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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Banbury Parish Records
« on: Friday 04 May 12 19:27 BST (UK)  »
This came from the goldsmiths guild....

Thank you for your email of 10 February.  The text below comes from an earlier enquiry in 2009.

 

Samuel Nicholl was the son of the late Thomas Nicholl, tanner, of Barking, Essex, and was apprenticed, on 12 May 1714, for seven years to Samuel Edlin, Citizen and Goldsmith.  A premium of £25 was paid to his master (Goldsmiths’ Company Apprentice Book 5, fo.49v.).  Samuel was made a Freeman of the Goldsmiths’ Company on 22 November 1722 (Freedom Book 1, p.87).  He was elected to the Livery on 14 April 1737 (Court Book 14, p.44) and to the governing body, the Court of Assistants, on 16 October 1745 (Ct. Bk. 15, p.123).

 

He took two apprentices – Samuel Hill (1724) and George Robins (1733).

 

From A. Heal’s The London goldsmith 1200-1800 (CUP, 1935, p.212) there is the following entries:

 

NICHOLL, Samuel (of Nicholl & Abdy), goldsmith, within Aldgate 1742-1744.

 

NICHOLL & ABDY (cf. Samuel NICHOLL), goldsmith, within Aldgate 1753.

 

I am not sure that the second entry is correct because I have a reference to a will for a Samuel Nicholl proved on 24 November 1749 (ref. PROB 11/774), which you can probably track down on British Wills Online.

 

A Samuel Nichol (sic) entered a maker’s mark, SN, in a heart-shaped shield, at the Assay Office in Goldsmiths’ Hall on 23 March 1723/4.  At that time his address was ‘at Mr Arnets at the Blackamoor’s Head in Foster Lane’.

 

Other snippets of information include a commission of bankruptcy awarded to him against Moses de Porto, merchant, late of London, a creditor of Samuel Nicholl, goldsmith of London, 26 February 1735 (ref. National Archives B/4/8 p.117 ?Commission of Bankruptcy perhaps).

 

From the Old Bailey proceedings a Thomas Nicholls (sic) was indicted for stealing a silver mustard pot, the property of Oriel College, Oxford.  Samuel Nicholls (sic) stopped the same in his shop (ref. Old Bailey Proceedings, 16 January 1740, pp.56-57 – you might find this in the Old Bailey Proceedings online).  I think that St. Catherine Cree Church was mentioned in that proceeding.

 

Finally a son of Samuel, Samuel Nicholls (sic) was made free by patrimony, on 6 November 1776, on the testimony of Charles Wright and Robert Peircy, Goldsmiths.  The son was a clerk (priest) in the parish of Bix in Oxfordshire.


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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Banbury Parish Records
« on: Friday 04 May 12 19:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I think I have a large family tree for this Samuel Nicholl, goldsmith.
He came from Barking, his father a tanner Thomas Nicholl (d1713)  mother Suzanna Harrison.
THe reason I have it is because...
 his son Samuel became vicar of  Sutton Courteney Oxon who had 2 sons George and William
George went to India, married and died probably of Cholera but his pregnant wife returned to give birth at sea to another George.
This Georges descendants have matched with my fathers y-str DNA.
I am looking for my ancestor the father of John Nichols Bailey born Bodicote 1810. The story goes that the father was a Mr Nicholl Solicitor from Stratford.
I did the dna test to find a nichol family and did!
Anyway to cut a long story short, there is a Nicholl Yahoo group that has lots of info that I have posted on this family including the large tree.
PS you will find a will of Samuel Nicholl goldsmith on the oxfordshire family history website. I have most of the wills of his relations including his father, and son and sisters and daughters. Also some fo his cousins, particularly Alice.

Do you have an interest in the familY?
To find out more about this also google The Georges Nicholl

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by the way, here is some stuff from the goldsmiths guild about Samuel Nicholl goldsmith, and grandfather of James Duppa (paper manufacturer)
You may have already got this from the guild!

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Samuel Nicholl was the son of the late Thomas Nicholl, tanner, of Barking, Essex, and was apprenticed, on 12 May 1714, for seven years to Samuel Edlin, Citizen and Goldsmith.  A premium of £25 was paid to his master (Goldsmiths’ Company Apprentice Book 5, fo.49v.).  Samuel was made a Freeman of the Goldsmiths’ Company on 22 November 1722 (Freedom Book 1, p.87).  He was elected to the Livery on 14 April 1737 (Court Book 14, p.44) and to the governing body, the Court of Assistants, on 16 October 1745 (Ct. Bk. 15, p.123).

He took two apprentices – Samuel Hill (1724) and George Robins (1733).

From A. Heal’s The London goldsmith 1200-1800 (CUP, 1935, p.212) there is the following entries:

NICHOLL, Samuel (of Nicholl & Abdy), goldsmith, within Aldgate 1742-1744.
NICHOLL & ABDY (cf. Samuel NICHOLL), goldsmith, within Aldgate 1753.

A Samuel Nichol (sic) entered a maker’s mark, SN, in a heart-shaped shield, at the Assay Office in Goldsmiths’ Hall on 23 March 1723/4.  At that time his address was ‘at Mr Arnets at the Blackamoor’s Head in Foster Lane’.

Other snippets of information include a commission of bankruptcy awarded to him against Moses de Porto, merchant, late of London, a creditor of Samuel Nicholl, goldsmith of London, 26 February 1735 (ref. National Archives B/4/8 p.117 ?Commission of Bankruptcy perhaps).

From the Old Bailey proceedings a Thomas Nicholls (sic) was indicted for stealing a silver mustard pot, the property of Oriel College, Oxford.  Samuel Nicholls (sic) stopped the same in his shop (ref. Old Bailey Proceedings, 16 January 1740, pp.56-57 – you might find this in the Old Bailey Proceedings online).  I think that St. Catherine Cree Church was mentioned in that proceeding.

Finally a son of Samuel, Samuel Nicholls (sic) was made free by patrimony, on 6 November 1776, on the testimony of Charles Wright and Robert Peircy, Goldsmiths.  The son was a clerk (priest) in the parish of Bix in Oxfordshire.


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HI all,
I am also working on connections to the Abdy/Duppa family you mention.
I am tracing back through Samuel Nicholl goldsmith of Aldgate, looking for male Nicholl lines.
I also found Mary Nicholl (daughter of Samuel Nicholl, godlsmith) married first to Thomas Abdy and then James Duppa (goldsmith)
I would like to send you the work in progress tree I have of the Nicholl family of Thomas Nicholl, tanner, of Barking father of Samuel Nicholl, goldsmith.
In particular, James Duppa (the paper manufacturer) was put in charge of his cousins William Nicholl and George Nicholl sons of Rev Samuel Nicholl of Bix and Sutton Courtney, and grandsons of Samuel Nicholl, goldsmith.
James Duppa stood guarantor for George Nicholl When he went to Bengal (and died there).
William Nicholl was midshipman on HMS Ajax in the battle of Trafalar in 1805.

Can we compare notes please?
Thanks
Ali


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