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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 17:52 BST (UK)  »
H Thanks for that. I guess it was too much to hope for to find a website where they would be listed, no worries. I didn't know that were mentioned on the Tas Archive site though so have checked that out. I'll check out the library when i get the time to go there.
Cheers.

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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Monday 24 June 13 15:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Does anyone know if any convict's wife/husband or family ever came with them to Australia, Tasmania in particular?
If they did is there a website to find out from.


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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Monday 10 June 13 13:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Thanks for that. Yes I had seen that site and looked through it and I think that's where I started questioning the Caffell connection, even though it's been found that there were 2 children born to an Ellen Behan and William Caffell, and there's also been a death found for an Ellen Caffell. 
At first look at all seems like it could be ok - and it could well be right - but to me it's not convincing me just yet.  :-\
For instance there's a marriage between Ellen Behan and William James Caffell in 1870 at St Pancras, Stepney, Middlesex London (i think that's hardly unlikely) and I couldn't find it on the Free BMD site.
Before that they had daughter Ellen Maria Caffell born 1868 in Tasmania and then son Henry Francis Caffell in 1872 in Tasmania.
However I have as you said, checked to see who submitted the information and I will contact him. I'd already emailed 2 other people whose websites I'd found information on, but no replies from them - yet.

I have also noticed on the Tasmanian Heritage pages that there's two Ellen BEHAN's and if that's correct, I get the feeling that people have got the two confused. Because they have different numbers, and one Ellen has no birth but shows the marriage to William Caffell and the two children Ellen Maria and Henry William - and the other Ellen born 1834, to John Sweeney and their children.
Thanks again.


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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Sunday 09 June 13 15:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi, OK thanks for that, I just needed to get a bit more information on that to convince me that it wasn't the one I was looking for, as I wasn't too sure that the death of Ellen Caffell that has been mentioned in the earlier replies was the one I wanted - but it seems as though the Hobart one isn't the one i'm after, so I can cross that one off.   :)

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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Sunday 09 June 13 13:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Debra Thanks so much for the latest information and websites that I've checked out and found some interesting information which has helped me a lot.

I agree with you in wondering if the birth record for the unnamed Coyle child (mother Ellen Bays) that the page might have been transcribed and the writing unable to be read, because this Ellen (Bays) has then become Ellen Behan who has then married John Sweeney.

Which leads me to ask you if it's possible for you to look for a death record for Ellen Sweeney in Hobart. I found a death and funeral notice in The Mercury newspaper on trove on 26 Feb 1917, age 83 years which fits with the age of 22 she gave when she married Sweeney in 1856. And after seeing that Bridget and Joanna Behan & families lived around Hobart I'm wondering whether this is the right Ellen Sweeney.
Thank you


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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Friday 07 June 13 13:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi Thanks for your reply and the information. Sorry I missed seeing the Ellen Bayle marriage, I thought I'd checked everywhere, and I can see now that she has married William Mason.
I have also noticed on the Tasmania's Heritage page that there's a William Coyle married to an Ellen Bays and a female child born in 1855, - and I'm sure that i searched all through those pages once or more before, - and whether that information is right or not, I don't know, but because of the lack of any further records to check I'm going to assume the child is the Mary Ann Coyle, that is the ancestral line I need.  Thanks for your help.

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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Thursday 06 June 13 07:51 BST (UK)  »
I'd like your opinions. On the birth register records shown here for the from Merlin for the female Coyle child, it looks like the mothers maiden name is Bayl. So thinking that William Kayle was a convict, and a soldier, I looked on Founders and Survivors for Ellen Bayl and found, Ellen Bayle or Boyle, police number 428, transported for 7 years to Tasmania in 1839 on the Hindostan. I found her also at Cascades Female factory in Hobart and being employed by JB Thomas at Millford.
On the Founders and Survivors site pages it says she was married, husband William a soldier in the {L###} {Burg} Can you tell what that really means....
Because I'm wondering if that means she was married before she left England or was this her marriage to William Kayle,(convict & soldier) in Tasmania and they had the one child?
I've tried to read the images it shows on the Founders and Survivors but can't make it all out but I can see that it says she was married to William, a soldier, and had one child, but are those hand written records from before she left England or when she arrived in Australia.
It seems very much of a coincidence if this isn't the same Ellen Bayl that appears to be the mother of the Coyle child to have been married to William, who was a soldier, and to have had one child.
Also William Kayle appears to have died at Campbelltown and Ellen was employed by JB Thomas at Millford which I think is quite near to there.
Can anyone give me any clues on this, i'm a little confused.


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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Wednesday 05 June 13 13:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for those additional bits of information the Caffell death is looking more promising and the death of William Kayle also looks like it's the right one.
Thanks for the web sites to check out. Funny that Henry and Mary Ann Howard have verified that their son Henry Mervyn was born 16-1-1900 when his birth certificate says 15-1-1899.

I think the Ellen Sweeney death I found must be another Ellen. Unfortunately when you find something like that and it fits, it's so easy to think you're on the right track - and you're not.
Thanks again

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Australia / Re: William Coyle or Koyle
« on: Tuesday 04 June 13 17:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi Thanks for the birth record which shows me there that the f was for female, as no name has been given to the child.
Thanks also for the convict records, I had seen them but have been undecided if this was the same William Koyle/Coyle. However I haven't found any other William Koyle, and no other information about him either.
 
I also found a death on trove for an Ellen Sweeney in Hobart, 26-2-1917 age 83 years, relict of the late James Sweeney. Although the marriage record said she married John Sweeney, she was 22 years old (so born 1834) then and the age at death matches that exactly. But she died a bit out of the area of where she married and had the children.

So I'm not sure if i go with the Ellen Sweeney or the Ellen Caffell death, even though an Ellen Behan has had children to William Coffee and Henry Caffell as well as Sweeney and Koyle and the informant on the Caffell death of H. Howard, shown as 'a friend' could have been her son in law Henry Howard who was living at Nook about that time.
The Caffell death says she was 58, which would make her born 1838, so she could have lied about her age when she married Sweeney.

Anyway thanks and I'll keep looking but would gladly receive any further information if anyone has any.










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