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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Saturday 09 August 14 19:59 BST (UK)  »
Tara to my shame I haven't either, and dathai  thanks a million to you and Tara both.

You are brilliant.

I'll let you know if I find more.


Marco

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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Saturday 09 August 14 00:12 BST (UK)  »
To my amazement,  K&P were mentioned in Samuel Beckett's 1953 play Waiting for Godot- voted the "most significant English language play of the 20th century" in a National Theatre 1998 poll by 800 playwrights, actors, directors and journalists.  That's pretty good literary recognition (or product placement). Here's the line in Act 1:

POZZO:
(on the point of tears). I've lost my Kapp and Peterson!

You can check it out  at http://www.samuel-beckett.net/Waiting_for_Godot_Part1.html.

Even more amazingly, it was mentioned (as Kappa Pedersen) by James Joyce in Finnegans Wake:

"Jests, jokes, jigs and jorums for the Wake lent from the properties
of the late cemented Mr T. M. Finnegan R.I.C. Lipmasks and
hairwigs by Ouida Nooikke. Limes and Floods by Crooker and
Toll. Kopay pibe by Kappa Pedersen.
"
The firm obviously became an integral part of Irish culture.

Marco

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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Blimey Tara!

I'd not seen the Thrift family headstone before.  Their descendants are my best chance of finding photographs.  I'll try and track one down.

Many thanks.

Marco

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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 22:28 BST (UK)  »
Not so privileged!  Frederick Kapp was a émigré from Germany.  He set up business in Soho in London as a pipemaker / tobacconist with his brother George, and they soon after jointly went bankrupt.  Frederick started again on his own account, marrying Mary Milburn in 1870. 

She'd been brought up in her penniless grandfather's house near Hadrian's wall and who was taken in by a relative when 14, where she seemed to have acted as a servant girl.  I'm fascinated as to how a country girl from Cumberland ended up marrying a German in London just 6 or 7 years later.  Her sister became an impoverished dressmaker in London.   

This was at peak of London's growth in the 1870's.  Sounds similar to growth of Mumbai now ie big city sucking in impoverished population from rural areas.  Mary must have been delighted to have married a businessman.  Frederick's brother George married in same church a week later.  After George died, his wife ended up marrying Charles Peterson and - according to family papers - his will financed Charles Peterson's patent pipe design - which seemed to have been the rock on which Kapp & Peterson's success was built.

All of which was a revelation to me!

I will write all this up for my family. 

Marco


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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 21:09 BST (UK)  »
Dear Tara - my you guys are good!  I have never see the will of Frederick Kapp or of Mary Kapp and I think the excerpt you pointed me at explains that (his will being unadministered by his wife until she died, her sister Isabel becoming the trustee.  Subsequently Isabel's relative Edward Waugh, a businessman from Gateshead, England, became joint trustee.

I have the Indenture whereby the business left to them by their parents was divided between them in 1893, my grandfather selling his share to Charles Peterson.

My grandfather went on to become a doctor in Gateshead.  I wonder if the trauma of his parents death influenced that decision. Certainly be became very close to Edward Waugh. 

Thanks again for your help.

Marco

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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 20:59 BST (UK)  »
Dear AnnClare - Thanks for pointer to National Library of Ireland.  The picture of the Kapp & Peterson workforce is dated 1890-1920 and I'd guess is more likely around 1910 than earlier.  Charles Peterson, who would have been Managing Director then, is clearly recognisable sitting at the centre.
Thanks again for your help.
Marco

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Dublin / Re: Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 20:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Tara (taramcdsmall) for your lightening-fast response.  I have searched Irish and London newspapers, Irish census returns, Church records (including burial records) and FindMyPast / Ancestry and believe that over the years I've gathered all info there is from these sources.  However, I'd not come across little Millicent's baptism certificate and was very moved to see it.  Thanks for pointing me at it.

Frederick, her father died at a quite young age in 1881, his wife Mary gave birth a month later to Millicent who died soon after.  Mary died 12 months to the day after her husband leaving 2 small boys who were brought up by Mary's sister Isabel.

It's an extraordinarily tragic tale and I'd guess the boys were traumatized by these successive events.

Their father's business was inherited by their mother and, in turn by her sons.  It was held in trust for them until they came of age in the 1890s (hence the business being called Kapp Brothers).  One of them (my grandfather) sold his share to Charles Peterson who worked for the firm - which was then renamed and went public as Kapp & Peterson, becoming the largest pipe-maker in Ireland.

The stuff put out on the web by the pipe community is confused and much is untrue.  I myself am keen to provide an accurate story of my family background for my children and grandchildren. Its photos of Frederick and Mary Kapp, and Isabel Milburn, that I'm most missing

Thank you for your assistance with providing a full picture.

Marco

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Dublin / Frederick & Mary Kapp, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 August 14 10:01 BST (UK)  »
In 1874, my great-grandfather Frederick Kapp founded a pipemaking firm in Dublin that, after his death in 1881, evolved into Kapp Brothers, and then into the renowned pipemakers Kapp & Peterson, which today trades as Peterson of Dublin.

I'm interested in locating any pictures of Frederick, Mary, or her sister Isabel Milburn, who looked after Frederick & Mary's two children in Dublin after Mary died in 1882, and in gleaning any other information about Frederick, Mary or Isabel.

In return, I'd be happy to share information I've pulled together from family records and published sources on the history of Frederick Kapp, pipemaker, Kapp Bros and Kapp & Peterson.

Marco Kapp
England

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Northumberland / Re: Hodgson's Mill
« on: Wednesday 11 May 11 12:04 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for all the info about Cowpen Square.  I really appreciate it.

My [possible] ancestors who lived there were called Robert & Grace Davison, according to 1851 census.  I'm still verifying the link to my definite ancestor - so I'm not yet certain I've a connection.

Despite this, thanks again for your help.

Marco

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