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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Wednesday 23 February 22 11:59 GMT (UK)  »
We have Alexander Donald m. Janet Largue with children:
John, bap. 08 08 1773 Old Deer ABD
James, bap. 15 10 1775 Old Deer ABD
James, bap. 05 10 1777 Old Deer ABD
Margaret, bap. 29 08 1779 Old Deer ABD
William, bap. 18 11 1781 Old Deer ABD
Robert, bap. 14 08 1784 Huntly ABD

John's baptism record notes he was born in Stuartfield, a town just south of Old Deer but within the parish:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.50553&lon=-2.04546&layers=5&b=1
No witnesses were named. This is the earliest record I have found of Donalds in Old Deer.

William became a provision merchant, and m. 26 09 1840 Huntly, Helen McHardy. They lived in Deveron St. in Huntly in 1841. He died 26 06 1865 in Nelson St. in Huntly. His death record marks his father Alexander as a weaver.

I'd speculate that James (1777) is likely to be the Private James Donald, weaver born in Old Deer, who enlisted in the 92nd Gordon Highlanders aged 16 in 1794. He died 02 10 1799:
https://archive.org/details/territorialsoldi00bullrich/page/238/mode/2up?view=theater&q=donald

I also have it in my notes that a John Donald signed up to the 92nd in 1794 at Coynachie (parish of Gartly, south of Huntly), and that a lieutenant John Donald resigned from the 92nd in 1799. I can't find the original reference for that. Coynachie was part of the Gordon estate. The Duke of Gordon's Black Watch company of 1791 included a George and John Donald, brothers:
https://archive.org/details/territorialsoldi00bullrich/page/136/mode/2up
Whether either of these John Donalds is the son of Alexander Donald and Janet Largue I do not know.

The Largue family appears to be from Inverkeithny but I cannot trace a marriage record for the pair.

I have not been able to find any mention of the surname Donald in the 1696 Poll Tax records for Huntly, nor any other mention of Donalds in Huntly before 1716.

If you have the time and patience, it might be useful to go through the (recently released, free-to-view) Kirk Session records for Huntly and/or Old Deer at Scotland's People, looking for any mention of the surname Donald. If you do this, please do let me know which pages you've been through and what you've found, so that we don't have to go through them ourselves!

Best wishes,

Iain.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Monday 21 February 22 23:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks - we were looking at John Donald and Elspet Cameron in July but couldn't take them any further than their 1809 marriage record.

In general, there are very few Donalds in Huntly, and most of them appear to have come there from elsewhere. The 1790s were hard times in the north east, and lots of people moved about at that time. Many of the Donalds we see in the area around Huntly have come over the border from Banffshire. The locus of Donalds in the area appears to be somewhere near Boyndie. While I haven't gone back into the earliest records of Banffshire as much as Aberdeenshire, there are Donalds present in Boyndie since at least 1702. We don't have any Y-DNA tests from the Banffshire Donald families to compare to at present. Of course, many Donalds in the area also spread from elsewhere in Aberdeenshire, although these tended to arrive later, and if any living Donalds of that family still exist, then they could be Y-DNA tested to see if they match the Aberdeenshire families.

However, there were also many Donalds in Huntly in earlier times. A James Donald in Raws of Huntly gave up his arms in 1716; George Donald enlisted in the Gordon Highlanders at Tombae in 1792, while William Donald served 1824-1848; Mrs. William Donald paid property tax in 1807; Alexander Donald was schoolmaster there 1799-1816. The 1810 tax records record this Alexander Donald, and a William Donald, weaver in the town. William is also mentioned in the 1820 tax records. We have yet to determine whether any of these are associated with your family.

Best regards,

Iain.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Sunday 25 July 21 10:53 BST (UK)  »
To anyone reading this thread, in the interim, we've done quite a lot more work on putting together this database of Donalds. However, we're now at the stage where more progress is able to be made through Y-DNA testing than conventional genealogy. If anyone is interested in Y-DNA testing their Donald lines in Aberdeenshire, Kincardineshire, Banffshire or Moray, please let me know.

Jo - I've sent you a private message.

Cheers,

Iain.

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One Name Studies: A to G / Re: DONALD, All N.E. Scotland, 1400-1841
« on: Monday 13 January 14 15:42 GMT (UK)  »
Tried to click on your link, however I get an error message
The link is now outdated and only describes an overview page. Please PM me if you want to have a look at the database itself.

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One Name Studies: A to G / Re: DONALD, All N.E. Scotland, 1400-1841
« on: Saturday 21 September 13 11:01 BST (UK)  »
Dear Iain,
Just wondering if you might have any of my family in your database?
Hi Cody,

I don't have this Bessie Donald specifically. I don't follow the female lines once they change their name.

Looking backward, there were two Donalds in Cairnie in the 1696 poll tax returns: John Donald (presumed single) at Miln of Kernborow and Androw (Andrew) Donald and his daughter at Hillsyde.

In 1758, a wealthy Jamaican merchant, James Donald, is recorded to have died. He was the son of a James Donald of Cairnie. (Scots Colonists/America; Scot. Settlers N. Am.; both available at archive.org).

I hope these give you some leads to work with. Cheers,

Iain.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Sunday 19 August 12 11:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jean,

I've sent you a private message with my e-mail address in - please get in touch and I'll give you what I have!

All the best,

Iain.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Wednesday 06 June 12 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I'm hoping to attach the Donalds I am related to, with Nellie Donald 1890 being my grandmother. As I am visiting Aberdeen soon from Australia, I'd love to know where they are buried.
I don't have these Donalds in my database, but I notice that there's some discrepancy between Donald and McDonald. Do you know which they were using at what time, and when/what prompted the change? The two are generally not interchangeable in records, but at least two other Donald families in the area have latterly adopted McDonald as their surname.

I've looked for your ancestors in the Aberdeen and N.E. Scotland Family History Society index of memorials, with no success. This covers most of the cemeteries in the area. There may be no grave marker for your family, but you might (if you're lucky) still be able to find old burial records at Scotland's People that will tell you where they were buried. The other place to try is Deceased Online.

Best of luck!

Iain.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Thursday 24 May 12 12:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi Iain, no problem!  It's your database, your rules apply!  I guess my only concern would be when you become someone's ancestor :'( does the database go with you...  Phil
Statistically, I've got a fair few decades left, so I hope it's not an issue! I hope my work will be superceded by then. In case of a freak yachting accident, there are enough people with access to the central copy that people should still be able to find access to it.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Donald families throughout Aberdeenshire
« on: Wednesday 23 May 12 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Any plans to make this available as a resource online?  Perhaps in the Aberdeenshire Resources Board?  Phil.
No - and purposely so. If it's made entirely public, people will just use it as they see it, without context. If people have to contact me first, then several things happen:
- There's a central list of who is researching each family, so cousins can be put in contact with each other;
- I get information in return, helping to expand the database;
- I can give advice on how to proceed from what I have (I can't afford to buy the thousands of necessary records on my own);
- I can put each family in a statistical context which isn't apparent from simply looking at family connections;
- A network builds up where each person researching a family can be notified when someone discovers something new about that family.

The means to do that don't exist through such a widely-based internet forum as this. For those reasons, I'd rather let people get in touch with me first, as I think it makes for a more productive system. I hope you understand!

- Iain.

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